I understand your frustration on Friday that the Fitzgerald investigation didn't go farther. But I also think you were prematurely disappointed. Bush isn't going to implode like a dynamited superstructure. He's going to disintegrate over time. Give the heat and weight of what he's facing time to work.
This article, and others like it, make clear one thing:
The Iraq War has stuck. It's stuck to Bush and Cheney and the rest, and there isn't a god damn thing they can do to get it off of them.
Like an anchor around their necks, it's taking them down, and they're never coming back up. This is Johnson's second term.
Posted by Sympatico at October 30, 2005 01:59 AMI wonder how the Anti-Truth Squad here likes this piece of reality.
Posted by Judith at October 30, 2005 03:12 AMi totally agree about the war..and the latest libby indictments and the continued cloud over rove will only heighten the countrys awareness of these guys..there is a very real possibility that the house can be reclaimed..and if that happens a lot of democrats will grow some balls ...if inquiries can prove they mislead the country to war...impeachment and possibly jail time for many
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[Editor: ignore=off]a troll arises from the gutter...and shows his shallow sense of honor..
Posted by dennis at October 30, 2005 05:59 AMThis must be a fake Bendito,though — he isn't (mis)using any big words.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 30, 2005 06:11 AMWhat's really funny in all of this, is that Dubya's only defense is the Sargent Schultz gambit: I know nothing, Nothing!
Either the preznit is an empty suit that is too stupid to know what's going on in the White House, or he is a co-conspirator in the biggest crime in American History.
Just this once, I'm going to concede that Junior had enough smarts to know what was going on.
heh . . .
Posted by ck at October 30, 2005 07:39 AMDj Moonbat, Benito also just confessed that the charges were not serious against Clinton.
Posted by Judith at October 30, 2005 07:43 AM"Just this once, I'm going to concede that Junior had enough smarts to know what was going on."
Ck, and we all know how revengeful this little man is, don't we? Bush's finger prints are all over this scandal.
Posted by Judith at October 30, 2005 07:47 AMDj Moonbat, Benito also just confessed that the charges were not serious against Clinton.
You're right; that's an even more obvious tip-off than his choice of words.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 30, 2005 07:48 AM"If these nimrods think they can pin Bush's problems on Cheney without paying a price, then these guys really are stupid."
Right:
Cheney, after all, is Bush.
The process of slow erosion will continue. People don't like to admit their mistakes be they political or in other areas. Former Bush voters are quietly distancing themselves from last years election.
Cynically speaking, this president was given a golden nugget after 911 not seen scince Pearl Harbor. After his bullhorn moment he went up to 80% in the polls and through all the dishonesty that is coming out now (plus, no doubt, some things we may never know about) was able to use fear to influence congressional elections and start a war. The bumbling in the first term was so severe that a reelection that should have been a sure thing turned into the closest presidential reelection victory scince 1916.
This crew never was all that competent, pre 911 Bush looked like a sure one termer. Exterme curcumstances plus ruthlessness was barely enough to get throttlebottom a second term.
There may be a second term but there is no second act.
Posted by rlp at October 30, 2005 07:50 AMJudith, mean spirited revenge is one of Junior's two core competencies -- lying is the other.
Even if he didn't know what happened, this crime has Dubya's fingerprints all over it. Libby, Rove, and Cheney went after Joe Wilson because the Preznit wanted it; outing Valerie Flame (and destroying the CIA's anti-proliferation covert operation) was merely incidental collateral damage, in service of the Dear Leader.
Posted by ck at October 30, 2005 08:10 AMKeep in mind that this is a political dynasty that we are talking about re: Kevin Phillips' "American Dynasty". Santino replaced Don Vito Busheone (George the First) 8 short years after the Don briefly lost favor/power. These guys have dealt with scandal before, trust me.
Posted by Paul Miller at October 30, 2005 08:19 AMthey haven't dealt with a scandal that alleges manufactured evidence for war..nobody has....
Posted by dennis at October 30, 2005 08:26 AMwho's being naive now, Kay?
Posted by PM at October 30, 2005 08:52 AMDennis, excellent point.
Paul, you are right, they have dealt for years with scandals including treason, lying, deceit, and murder. The first step in destroying the inner circle of any dynasty, is to unveil and reveal the true nature of the beast. It is a slow process, but still possible.
Posted by Judith at October 30, 2005 09:08 AMYou're correct, Steve, about Bush's need to play to his base, more correctly his fundie base. They informed Rove they wanted their agenda followed this term or risk losing their support in ensuing terms. That's why it's so important to filibuster, to peel this base away from them.
Posted by sf at October 30, 2005 09:38 AMck, I believe Bush has known what has been going on all along, as a matter of fact, he was probably the one pressing them all the hardest to do his dirty work - slander Wilson, because he didn't tow the line - it's just that because he's the President, they'll take the blame for him. He was desperate to invade Iraq, he just wanted it done, no matter what. But, is he smart enough to do the right thing? No ... as Steve said, he's become so infatuated with himself that he can't even see the damage that has been done and I doubt he really even cares that much. No President in his right mind would have joked and strutted and laughed the way he did right after Fitzgerald made his speech. When a man talks to families who have lost their children in a senseless war and says they died for a noble cause and can't speak those words without a smirk and a glint in his eyes, you know there are some serious psychological issues. There have been many red lights and warning signals - looking under the table for WMD, etc., etc. He is a fraud, from the get-go.
Posted by jra at October 30, 2005 10:55 AMWhen a man talks to families who have lost their children in a senseless war and says they died for a noble cause and can't speak those words without a smirk and a glint in his eyes, you know there are some serious psychological issues.
All he has to do is think of the billions, yep, billions of dollars he has horded from the U.S. Treasury and will get to fade away with. It's truly shameful, not what he's done, but what we've allowed him to do.
Posted by at October 30, 2005 11:36 AMI'm not convinced that Bush was the motivational force behind the Plane outing. He's petty and he's vindictive, but he's not in control. I'd say it has Roves fingerprints all over it though. Forgeries and vicious smears are tricks that we know are in Roves arsenal. Cheney too seems more likely to be the one actually pulling the strings here. Bush may have been a knowing accomplice, but my guess is that when it comes to energy policy, and making sure that the US invaded Iraq, Cheney is the father figure. The WHIG was actually operating out of the vice presidents office. For Cheney, Bush is nothing more than a convenient PR tool.
Posted by Oaklander at October 30, 2005 12:07 PM