Actually, since GeeDub is a lame duck, I'd like to see this labelled "The Republican War in Iraq."
Posted by iamcoyote at November 6, 2005 01:06 PMIt's the chickenhawks war. The big re-do in the dessert for all the war lovers who hate hippies and Jane Fonda. It was suppossed to be validation of their magnificant white maleness and worship of all things John Wayne.
We need to hang it around the Wingers necks like the pustulant amputad arm of a plauge victim.
Just one example of the ownership society.
Sure the Dems f@cked-up. But they get to jump ship easily. Republicans dont get this option.
Sucks, but that is the fickle public for ya.
Good luck and goodbye Goopers.
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[Editor: ignore=off]Iraq is sure looking better than France these days
O.K. dumbass, put your money where your mouth is: I'll go to France if you'll go to Iraq.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Posted by rlp at November 6, 2005 01:51 PMExit Strategy here
http://www.d-n-i.net/lind/lind_archive.htm
That's a great little bit of political speech there, pess. Why doesn't anybody talk like that in real life? If the democrats don't get the House and the oval office out of this disaster, we should be ashamed.
George Bush is the anti-Christ, but I agree with the wingnuts that the dem's STILL have no coherent, unifying message. I heard Nancy Pelosi on NPR a few weeks ago. The interviewer threw her some softball about what the democrats had to offer, and she wiffed! It's sick.
Even Harry Reid's great move last week is a response and an attack. Where's the agenda? Where are the DEM's talking points? We have to solidify the 37% approval rating and turn that into support for dem's not just anger at the rethuglicans.
Posted by calviniscool at November 6, 2005 02:48 PMFrance: riots over an injustice done to some of their people.
Iraq: insurgency over a world-recognized injustice done to nearly all of their people.
Yeah, I can safely say where the moral righteousnes lies.
Posted by DukeRevolution at November 6, 2005 02:53 PM"It's the chickenhawks war."
Again with the chickenhawk argument. Oh well, one-trick-pony and all of that....
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 03:19 PMOK Bags, it's the chickenhawks war and neo-conservative agenda war! Better!!
Go back to the game!
Posted by bbtb at November 6, 2005 03:46 PMAgain with the chickenhawk argument.
Bothers you doesn't it? Too bad;1-800-go-army.
Enlist now, go serve, then come back here and spout your drivel.
It will still be drivil, but at least there will be a tiny bit of respect for you anyway.
As it stands now, you and all the other chickenhawks will just have to remain the cowardly enablers of death.
I really dont know how you can live with yourselves. Rush had to stay zonked on oxys. What's your poison?
I suspect cheap whiskey.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 04:40 PMSnarkySnark,
I served nine years in the US Navy (active and reserve). First Gulf War, in fact. I also had the privilege of spending a not-so-insignificant amount of time attached to units of the US Marine Corps -- first class people!
Does this history allow me to "...spout my drivel," in your estimation? (By the way, your "respect" is un-needed. I proudly served so that you and your kind are safe to display willful ignorance in public places.)
"I suspect cheap whiskey."
Actually, a very good Australian Shiraz.
:)
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 04:54 PM"It's the chickenhawks war."
Again with the chickenhawk argument. Oh well, one-trick-pony and all of that....
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 03:19 PM
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Says the filthy chickenhawk, oblivious to the irony.
Proudly serve again, if you think you're up to the task. Apparently, you are not.
Posted by God Of War at November 6, 2005 05:20 PMDemocrats who “voted for the war” can explain their vote as a presidential empowerment bill, then blame bush for extending himself. Not extending as in "... the Army you have ...", but extending beyond the truth. We allow driver's licenses at 16, but take them back when the youngster gets too ... wild? For that matter, we take licenses back when students fail. Do we let the wild and/or failing little boy cry out that we let him have a license?
When Republicans respond "everyone agreed about WMD!" Well, everyone had different ideas, and the idea that screwed up is Bush's. Some people thought the UN examiners were going along quite well - the tonnage destroyed was monumental. Some thought that containment was working; that any WMD program was crippled, that his inhumane policies (conducted during Bush1) were checked. Some thought a secular Iraq hindered Islamic terrorism. But not bush!
When Republicans scream Clinton agreed, I point out that Clinton's 1998 bombing was very effective, we never lost a soldier. It showed our power and capabilities, and their lack of same.. Saddam probably decided he couldn't compete with our abilities. Clinton safely saved us with the world’s approval and gratitude.
BTW, Clinton's unconsummated affair with a consenting adult is far less immoral than bush's intercourse with the Nation. The Clinton lie was in regards to a question that, 30 years ago, no gentleman would ask, or answer. I consider Ken Starr ( what is it about Republican "Kens"?) to be the primo Internets literary pornographer.
Posted by Richard W. Crews at November 6, 2005 05:24 PM"Says the filthy chickenhawk, oblivious to the irony.
Proudly serve again, if you think you're up to the task. Apparently, you are not."
I love lefties. They simply prove the point: I proudly served so that you and your kind are safe to display willful ignorance in public places.
And place the emphasis on "will fulignorance in public places."
"... 1998 bombing was very effective, we never lost a soldier."
Spoken well by someone with no experience in the subject that is being addressed.
Does this history allow me to "...spout my drivel," in your estimation?
Youre allowed to spout your drivil all you wan't.
I respect your service. I spent 4 years active duty Army infantry myself.
But be advised. I find 95% of the war loving Wingnuts never served.
So what do you think about the milatary reniging on enlistment bonuses?
How about combat veterns having to wait months for appointments due to grossly underfunded VA?
Do you care that there is irreprable harm occuring to the combat arms? That we aren't meeting recruiting goals while lard-ass young republicans fight the oh so dangerous ideals war at home and on campus.
Or that we are providing the worlds best live fire training for Al-Quada and others that hate us. That we have created a big laboratory for our enemies to develop weapons and tactics to kill our brave men and women?
Since you are a vetern, I am interested in your take on these things.
Because for myself, I can't stand to sit around and watch a bunch of morons who never served treat our brave men and women as toy soldiers to play out their little world domination schemes.
For gods sake, don't you at least wish they were competent?
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 05:51 PMIt infuriates me a depresses me to see so many Democratic "leaders" like Hillary Clinton, Wesley Clark, and the 2 terrible Joes (Biden and Lieberman) still mouthing the same bullshit as Bush about staying the course. I was really gratified this week to see Feinstein and Rockefeller both say they would never have voted for Bush's war if they knew then what they know now about all the lies and deceptions
Posted by Howie at November 6, 2005 06:12 PMBagley, Give us a comment about your feelings of the war. Successful, going bad or what? Are you one of the "stay the course" guys? Can't tell us everything is peachy, can you? What would you do different? Come on, let us in on your success story about this war! Got buddies over there still?
Jeez, even my sister at DOD in CENTCOM admits, some things aren't right. She just thinks bashing bu$h will not do any good! I disagree, bash bu$h until he is pounded out of office.
"Youre allowed to spout your drivil all you wan't."
Well that is a change of tune from the previous vitriol.
But in any event, thank you for your service. (I have three generations of Army behind me -- I married well -- and my Navy service makes for interesting times when the Army-Navy game is being played.)
"But be advised. I find 95% of the war loving Wingnuts never served."
I find that 99.99% of leftists never served.
"So what do you think about the milatary reniging on enlistment bonuses?"
I read about that this morning (reservists fromthe Pacific Northwest, I believe). I am waiting to read more. In my experience, re-enlistment bonuses are never easy (and far more complicated in the Reserves). All the paperwork has to be exact. I am hoping that this is the situation for these soldiers.
"How about combat veterns having to wait months for appointments due to grossly underfunded VA?"
The problem is in the structure of the VA. The concept of VA hospitals is outdated and the transition to providing medical services through the private sector is not working very well. I do think that it will improve, though.
"Do you care that there is irreprable harm occuring to the combat arms? That we aren't meeting recruiting goals while lard-ass young republicans fight the oh so dangerous ideals war at home and on campus."
This is three separate issues. Irreparable harm is not being done to "combat arms." A cadre of well trained, combat-proven military personnel is a benefit to the services.
Recruiting goals are being met in certain specialties and many of those with prior service in Iraq are re-enlisting (even though it means, most likely, additional combat tours.) Other specialties are notoriously difficult to fill and still yet, projected needs (on which recruitment goals are established) are often over-inflated.
As to the "lard-ass republicans," it is an all volunteer military. Your statement is a variation on the chicken-hawk argument, and the arugument is intellectually (and historically) dishonest.
"Or that we are providing the worlds best live fire training for Al-Quada and others that hate us. That we have created a big laboratory for our enemies to develop weapons and tactics to kill our brave men and women?"
The history of warfare is the continuous development of weapons and tactics: offensive and defensive. (Read "Technology and War" by Martin van Creveld.) I do think, however, that you have inadvertently agreed that we are fighting terrorists in Iraq -- Al Quaeda -- and not Mr. Michael Moore's "minutemen equivalents."
"Because for myself, I can't stand to sit around and watch a bunch of morons who never served treat our brave men and women as toy soldiers to play out their little world domination schemes."
I think this comment is a little overboard....more appropriate for someone wearing a tinfoil than a vet.
"For gods sake, don't you at least wish they were competent?"
I believe that they are. However, I do believe that they -- the Administration -- need to move beyond considerations for political correctness.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 06:24 PM"Bagley, Give us a comment about your feelings of the war."
The War on Terror will continue and must continue until the Muslim world comes to believe that it is not an Islamic requirement to kill Jews. At this point, the Muslim world will have had its reformation and will probably be able to live peacefully with the non-Muslim world.
Saddam was providing monies to the killers of the citizens of Israel: Jews, Christians, and other Muslims. As such, Saddam was a key provider of financial assistance to terrorists and a supporter of terrorism.
I do think that the war is going well: Libiya admitted to and then gave up its WMDs, Syria has pulled out of Lebanon, Saddam is gone, voters in Iraq are going to the polls, Eqypt -- however flawed -- had an election in which opposition party funtionaries were not thrown in prison, and (finally) many, many people in the world have been made aware of the threat of Islamic fundamentalism
The war could be going better though: we, the United States and its allies, are stil hobbled by political correctness.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 06:37 PMWell, another satisfied right-wing customer of Bush's War! Yessir, the "war" (whatever this word even means in this occupation context) is really going well!
I think at this point we can safely conclude that the Dems are not gong to be offering any grand "plan": no withdrawals, reductions, whatever. What voters will have in their minds next Nov will be any one's guess.
Bush and company, and all the satisfied customers, will just get to grind this occupation out.
Posted by euzoius at November 6, 2005 06:50 PMYes, nothing good has happened in Iraq. Just a dictator disposed, 2 elections (and another one coming in January), electricity and water service greater than pre-war levels. Pluse women and children no longer tortured and killed.
And let's remember that nothing has happened outside of Iraq. Except of course for Lybia giving up Wmd's, Syria out of Lebanon, elections in Egypt and talk of elections in Saudi Arabia.
If you say you support the soldiers, then why can't you recognize the good things they have done. Of course the answer to that is that your hatred for Bush precedes it. Which means you really don't support the military at all.
BTW, you had your way in 1975 when the Senate cut off aide to South Vietnam and the result was a wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. So spare me your moral lectures to Bush about how he should pull out. That would result in exactly the same thing that happened back then.
It is astounding to me that a party that claims to be for human rights consistently supports actions that would eliminate human rights around the world. Those of us who live in the real world are going to make sure you don't get anywhere near having a position of power in this country.
Posted by The Real Truth at November 6, 2005 06:51 PM"Well, another satisfied right-wing customer of Bush's War! Yessir, the "war" (whatever this word even means in this occupation context) is really going well!"
This makesno sense. Yes, there is an occupation...such an activity normally follows warfare.
"...a wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people."
Actually,it was millions. Please do not forget the killing fields of Cambodia.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 06:54 PMOne thing to add to what Bagley said so well:
The best way to defeat terrorism is to eliminate the safe places they can go. Iraq and Afghanistan is now no longer on their list of safe havens. This will take a long time to complete. But that is what Bush is doing even if you liberals refuse to see the big picture. Personally, I don't think your capable of that considering you were willing to co-exist with the Soviets at our back door.
Posted by The Real truth at November 6, 2005 06:55 PMThe concept of VA hospitals is outdated and the transition to providing medical services through the private sector is not working very well.
Heresay!!! My god man, you're bordering on socialist thoughts.You know its funny, but anytime there are dire situations the first thing that happens is a socialist posture is adopted.(the home front during WW@, the military itself, etc.)Only when there isnt any real emergency are we free to experiment with idiotic ideas like tax cuts in war time.
I find the oppisite. In my Dean meet-up group, the vets outnumbered the non vets. I bet you dont really know any libs, but me being in Texas, I know lots of wingers. And they generally think public service is for suckers and trailer trash.
Just a little slice of life for you to digest.
Irreparable harm is not being done to "combat arms." Your opinion, not supported by facts. But maybe you can explain why the Army has dropped it enlistment requirements so far. Or why Bradly service rates are about 50%.
Recruiting goals are being met in certain specialties But not in the only thing that really matters-combat arms.
Other specialties are notoriously difficult to fill and still yet, projected needs (on which recruitment goals are established) are often over-inflated. If you have any proof of this, I would love to see it. Drudge and Faux news dont count.
I do think, however, that you have inadvertently agreed that we are fighting terrorists in Iraq I did no such thing. I agree with the military and former military people who deal in reality. The pre-ponderance of insurgents are locals who resent 1000lbs j-dams going off in the neighborhood and killing various relatives. Are there terrorists there now? Most certianly! Were they there before the quagmire? No they weren't.
Your statement is a variation on the chicken-hawk argument, and the arugument is intellectually (and historically) dishonest.
No its not. Traditionally, combat service was considered a bonus for politicians because it confered a certian knowledge of the severe responsibilty and consequences of war.(think Ike or JFK) Watching all the non-serving assholes we have in charge now make such a cock-up of this thing makes me think we erred in getting away from this.
It used to be Republicans honored service, but seeing what they did to Kerry, Cleland, and even McCain puts paid to that lie.
I think this comment is a little overboard....more appropriate for someone wearing a tinfoil than a vet. Your entitled to your opinion, but remember, your in the minority now.
Your assumption that we here are on the fringe is slowly being turned. It is you guys who are going to back your furher to the end who are coming to be seen as fringe.
You can believe they are competent all you want, but 2035 dead, 13500+ wounded and untold Iraqi dead says otherwise.
I do appreaciate that you are willing to debate without the talking point floaties though.
Maybe you will figure it out in time. Heres hoping.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 06:55 PMThanks Bagley. It was even worse than I thought.
It's scary what this world would be like should these guys ever win the WH in the near future.
Posted by The Real truth at November 6, 2005 06:57 PM"Your entitled to your opinion, but remember, your in the minority now."
Wishful thinking.
BTW, you sure have used the words chickenhawk, coward and respect a LOT the last 48 hours. Are those the vocabularly words for the weekend?
Posted by The Real truth at November 6, 2005 07:00 PMThe best way to defeat terrorism is to eliminate the safe places they can go. Iraq and Afghanistan is now no longer on their list of safe havens.
And there was bagel arguing just the opposite.
Fact is, Iraq is a dandy place for Al-Quada, and Afgan is making a strong comeback.
You wouldnt know the real truth if it slapped you on the ass.
At least Bagel has some tenous grasp of reality.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 07:02 PMWishful thinking.
Check the polls lately?
BTW, you sure have used the words chickenhawk, coward and respect a LOT the last 48 hours. Are those the vocabularly words for the weekend?
No, they are canards to hang around your neck so decent people can see who you really are.
My predicition is, you wont be able to find anybody who ever was a republican in just a short amount of time.
Hope you enjoyed your brief moment in the sun.
The time to celebrate yourself is over.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 07:06 PMSnarkySnark;
Just a couple of points (I do not want to be sriting book-length posts).
"... a socialist posture is adopted."
Ummm, I do think that you are confusing Socialism with some other form of political-economic structure. Transitioning to the private sector is the exact opposite of Socialist evolution.
"...my Dean meet-up group...."
Ok. No need to continue.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 07:06 PM
SnarkySnark,
What was your MOS?
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 07:10 PM11B
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 07:13 PMUmmm, I do think that you are confusing Socialism with some other form of political-economic structure. Transitioning to the private sector is the exact opposite of Socialist evolution.
Which you yourself said wasnt working very well.
My point is, when there isnt time to dick around, and a system has to be implemented right away, that system is usally tinged with, or outright modeled on socialism.
I am all for free markets, but something are just better done with the socialist model. Education, Medicine and National defense. These things are to important to leave to Dick Cheneys crony capitalist deprivations.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 07:17 PM"...my Dean meet-up group...."
Ok. No need to continue.
Way to keep an open mind. The fact is, Dean is about the only politician out there who is a social liberal and a fiscal conservitive.
Tell me how I could ever be represented by the Republican party, which is exactly the oposite?
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 07:20 PMSnarkySnark,
I think it would be best (less embarrassing for you) if you avoided posting on subjects related to polical economics.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 07:23 PMIraq will be enmeshed in bloodshed and violent strife for the next decade, however many elections it may hold. What it will look like when all the parties have exhausted themselves is very hard to say, but I doubt whether its arab components will be secular or moderate.
To the right wingers, deposing a dictator makes everything worthwhile, even if you might be an Iraqi who maybe would have preferred to be alive under Saddam than dead under a "democracy".
For Real Kool-Aid, no price is too great as long as someone else has to pay it!
Posted by euzoius at November 6, 2005 07:23 PM"... social liberal and a fiscal conservitive."
You will get no argument from me regarding the obscene level of Government spending.
However, on the subject of (social) liberalism, I am more of a (small ell) libertarian.
But Doctor Dean is a nut-case!
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 07:26 PM"To the right wingers, deposing a dictator makes everything worthwhile..."
I remember when being a liberal meant being anti-dictator. Sigh :(
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 07:29 PMThe War on Terror will continue and must continue until the Muslim world comes to believe that it is not an Islamic requirement to kill Jews.
Saddam was providing monies to the killers of the citizens of Israel.
So you admit this war is to protect Israel and not the United States?
Posted by just wonderin' at November 6, 2005 07:30 PM"So you admit this war is to protect Israel and not the United States?"
Not at all. I am simply establishing a point at which we -- the non-Muslim world -- can be fairly confident that the Muslim world has abandoned its predispositon to committing murder based upon the victim's (religeous) ethnicity: whether it be Christian of Jew.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 07:37 PMIs a person who is protecting his homeland from foreign invaders committing murder?
Posted by just wonderin' at November 6, 2005 07:39 PMBut Doctor Dean is a nut-case!
And yet you as a libertarian(supposedly) support the biggest attack on our civil rights in history.
In my book that is crazy.
So then by your actions(crazy)you devalue your arguments.
I think it would be best (less embarrassing for you) if you avoided posting on subjects related to polical economics.
Once again I could give a rats ass what a political zombie such as yourself has been programmed to think.
But let me break this down to molecular level for you. Try to keep up.
Your original statementThe concept of VA hospitals is outdated and the transition to providing medical services through the private sector is not working very well.
Then I commented about how it is strange how when a system must be put in place in dire circumstances, it is usally socialist.
Then somewhere along the line you got confused and thought I was getting socilaism and capitalism confused.
I understand the VA is going private sector.
Thats why it sucks. Which you agreed with
Clear?
I remember when being a liberal meant being anti-dictator. Sigh :(
Which it is. Thats why we oppose George(it would be easier if I were a dictator) Bush.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 07:40 PMHow is becoming an exploding person in a Pizza shop in Israel
"... protecting [his] homeland from foreign invaders committing murder?"
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 07:43 PMHow long has Israel actually been Israel? What was there before?
Posted by just wonderin' at November 6, 2005 07:45 PMBagley, I think at this point the Israeli's can defend themselves better than us going into Iraq for the spoils of war. It is really pissing the Muslims off!
There is no doubt that we are stuck in Iraq for a while, it will be a moral obligation. In no means should we be profitting from the occupation! This is immoral and criminal! Of course, as long as you have the taxpayers covering for Halliburton, all is OK.
Posted by bbtb at November 6, 2005 07:50 PM"... biggest attack on our civil rights in history."
Hyperbole.
"Once again I could give a rats ass what a political zombie such as yourself has been programmed to think."
I still have my three volume set of Das Kapital, printed in the Soviet Union, and with my notes in the margins, sitting on the bookshelf here in my den: I taught seminar(s) on Marxist Economics in college. Hardly programmed.
"But let me break this down to molecular level for you. Try to keep up."
More vitriol?
"I understand the VA is going private sector."
You may understand that this is happening, but you seem to have a problem understanding that it cannot happen immediately....
....yeah, it stinks, but as I posted: the old mode is outdated and unfunctional.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 07:51 PMHyperbole?
Are you even paying attention?
I dont care how many copies of Das Kapital you have.
If at this point you still support the Cheney administration, then you have been programed.
Do you foam at the mouth when someone says liberal or Clinton? Programed.
Judging by your reaction to Dean, I can definetly say that you are.
Sure seems like a waste of thatliberal education.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 07:57 PM"How long has Israel actually been Israel? What was there before?"
It was the Palistine Mandate (not related to any identifiable people called Palastinians) under British administration. The Jews began purchasing land in what is now Israel in the early 20th century. Modern Israel is an expansion of the original purchases, as agreed to by the Allied powers, after WWII.
"Bagley, I think at this point the Israeli's can defend themselves better than us going into Iraq for the spoils of war."
Ummm, Israel's ability to defend itself was not what I posted.
"It is really pissing the Muslims off!"
The passing of time -- changing dates on the calendar -- pisses the Muslims off.
"In no means should we be profitting from the occupation!"
Oh, please, where is the (financial) profit in this war.
"Of course, as long as you have the taxpayers covering for Halliburton, all is OK. "
And please do tell me another entity that can do what Halliburton is doing?
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 08:00 PMAnd please do tell me another entity that can do what Halliburton is doing?
Uh...the Iraq people?
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 08:04 PMOh, please, where is the (financial) profit in this war.
It was suppossed to come from Iraq oil, but due to incopmetence it aint happening.
Doesn't mean it wasn't contemplated.
Posted by at November 6, 2005 08:06 PMSnarkySnark,
As I posted before: I proudly served so that you and your kind are safe to display willful ignorance in public places.
May I ammend this to read: I proudly served so that you and your kind are safe to lack of education and inability to filter fact from fiction in public places.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 08:07 PMproudly served so that you and your kind are safe.
Safe from what? Please tell me what in/on this world threatens us?
Posted by just wonderin' at November 6, 2005 08:15 PMMay I ammend this to read: I proudly served so that you and your kind are safe to lack of education and inability to filter fact from fiction in public places.
Hey I am ready to concede points all day long as long as someone brings a logical argument.
I'll give you yor props....you hung in there.
I dont consider you a troll, just brainwashed. I enjoy a good political argument and this has been the best I have had in a while.
But it appears I am pissing you off on a personal level, so I will quit.
I am a student of history, and I have seen this movie before. It ends badly, so enjoy what we have now. Smell the flowers Bagel, they wont be around forever.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 08:16 PMI enjoy a good political argument and this has been the best I have had in a while.
It was fun, and he(bagley) lasted longer than most. Thanks Shark!
"Safe from what? Please tell me what in/on this world threatens us?"
Fundamentalist Islam.
"...as long as someone brings a logical argument."
None are so blind as those who will not see.
"I am a student of history..."
Self proclamation without foundation. Typical.
"......you hung in there."
Like having a conversation with a six-year old child. Eventually it becomes exhausting.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 08:22 PMNone are so blind as those who will not see.
Projection
Self proclamation without foundation. Typical.
No really, I am at college, and history is one of my classes. No I am not 18, I am 40 and going back to school.
Like having a conversation with a six-year old child. Eventually it becomes exhausting.
Likewise.
You know I was going to complement you as at least having the courage of your convictions, but that last little tirade deserves only one response.
F#ck you, you deluded scum.
"It was fun, and he(bagley) lasted longer than most. Thanks Shark!"
I am very tolerant of children, the infirmed, and the feebled-minded.
"... and history is one of my classes."
One?
A single class in history makes you an expert? On the Internet I suppose. (I will not ask what "history class" -- singular -- you are taking. I am sure that you find it entertaining.)
"F#ck you, you deluded scum."
Not so cool I suppose. Now do tell, where you one of those people in High School that the other kids stuffed in the locker for fun. Carrying around a few issues, are you?
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 08:36 PMNot so cool I suppose. Now do tell, where you one of those people in High School that the other kids stuffed in the locker for fun. Carrying around a few issues, are you?
No I was the one that kicked the shit out of the bullies.
Its sad, for a few moments there we were having a conversation, and you were a worthy opponet[sic].
But then you had to go and turn troll.
I do not respond to trolls, and so I will no longer respond to you.
Sad really
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 08:40 PM"No I was the one that kicked the shit out of the bullies."
Doubtful.
"Its sad, for a few moments there we were having a conversation, and you were a worthy opponet[sic]."
[sic]
You have not taken a technical writing class (yet) have you. I do hope your college offers a technical writing course.
"But then you had to go and turn troll."
Yes, every now and then I like to troll in shallow waters.
"I do not respond to trolls, and so I will no longer respond to you."
Thank you, can I count on this in the future?
Remember:
One. Single. History. Course. Makes. "...[a] student of history."
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 08:47 PMOk...one last thing.
When you start critiquing my writing or spelling on a million mile an hour thread, it means you have nothing to the substance of the argument.
If you go back and re-read your posts, you will find them to be full of misspells and such.
And you can doubt whatever you want. It matters not.
What matters is that you are a troll spouting talking points at a board where you are merely cheap entertainment to be ridiculed and mocked.
I tried to rise to the level of an actual discourse. I tried to address the points you raised.
It became obvious at the end you had nothing, and had to rely on personal attacks.
You could have been different, a contender.
In the end you were just the average feces-spewing
winger.
How does it feel to be the same old tired story?
Don't bother answering, we know you need a personal fuhrer to be your daddy-figure.
Talk about issues.
SnarkyShark out.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 6, 2005 09:01 PM"When you start critiquing my writing or spelling on a million mile an hour thread, it means you have nothing to the substance of the argument."
Not critiquing your writing orspelling, simply your use of notations regarding citations.the use of [sic] may be appropriate for writng in a legal journal, but a posting on a blog....well, its use is a bit pretentious. However, this is a mistake made by many undergrads - being pretentious in their writing, I mean.
"If you go back and re-read your posts, you will find them to be full of misspells and such."
Yes, writng a blog-post is not like writing in a scholarly journal. Although, I must say that I try to minimize the number of errors.
"It became obvious at the end you had nothing, and had to rely on personal attacks."
No. Observations based upon your posts: One. Single. History. Course.
"You could have been different, a contender."
What is this, are you casting a movie?
"How does it feel to be the same old tired story?"
Yeah, the book of leftist is very repetitive. I keep hoping that the next chapter will be different -- always a disappointment, though.
"SnarkyShark out."
You made that promise before. :)
What was the topic of this thread?
I think it was "Knowing When It's Time To Go Home".
It's past time to end this $1 billion/week scam on the U.S. public.
Not only were the lies wrong. The whole notion that any group of people can colonize another group of people the the 21st century is completely stupid. How will you colonize people that will kill themselves in order to kill you. How many lives and billions of dollars will it take before idiots realize that the plan won't work.
It pass time to go home. The U.S. was not invited!! The U.S. lied to the world and the world knows the U.S. is led by common greedy thieves. We will pay great prices for killing thousands of innocent women and children so a few criminals can control Iraq's resources. The "Shah of Iran" is dead. That game plan will no longer work. We must learn to share this big piece of dirt with 5 billion other people.
Posted by smooth at November 6, 2005 09:38 PMWe must learn to share this big piece of dirt with 5 billion other people.
My god man, you can't be serious? Dont you know it is an Americans god given right to monopolize all the resources. Hummers? Fuck yeah! Share? What are ya, some damn commie?
Yeah smooth, wish I had some hope of reason prevailing, but its a forlorn hope.
Posted by at November 6, 2005 10:04 PM"Says the filthy chickenhawk, oblivious to the irony.
Proudly serve again, if you think you're up to the task. Apparently, you are not."
I love lefties. They simply prove the point: I proudly served so that you and your kind are safe to display willful ignorance in public places.
And place the emphasis on "will fulignorance in public places."
"... 1998 bombing was very effective, we never lost a soldier."
Spoken well by someone with no experience in the subject that is being addressed.
Posted by Bagley at November 6, 2005 05:36 PM
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You have no idea of that in which I have experience, but you surely do not want to know.
You most assuredly do not want to know.
Posted by God Of War at November 7, 2005 06:16 AMFor the record- I serve in the US Army-Regular.
I was infantry(11B) and parachute qualified(1p)
I was in the last class that jumped out of the C-123 provider.
Anybody who knows anything knows there is two branches of the military, Infantry and support.
To have a squid dispute my very real service is especially galling.
I recently turned in papers to go into the reserve.
I was DQ'd on a medical. I was waivered for my age.
If they call me back and waiver the medical, I will go.
I do not lie, unlike people who have a propensity to lie. Such as trolls and wingers.
Carry on.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 7, 2005 10:23 AMserve=served.
as in used too.
Posted by SnarkyShark at November 7, 2005 10:24 AM