Bring it, wingnuts. Let's see what you've got.
Posted by God Of War at November 8, 2005 07:40 PMWay to go Tim!!!
Posted by HumanityCritic at November 8, 2005 07:42 PMGuess the First Librarian Lady's visit and the Turd Blossom smear tactics didn't fare so well in the Garbage, er... Garden State. Fuck the Repug's.
Posted by Red_Neck_Repub at November 8, 2005 07:53 PMWe did out part in VA. Hope you did your part to take out the trash in CA!
Posted by victory in VA at November 8, 2005 08:42 PMVictory,
The trash in CA is burning baby!!!!! It's a sweep!!
Posted by smooth at November 8, 2005 11:43 PMrealistic consideration of taking back the house can now be considered....the vermin that are in the white house can be impeached and then incarerated for their crimes....lets get them out ..start a plan to withdraw from iraq ..and pray that never again will our men and women of the military are used for an insane ideology ..to die for oil in the sands of the middle east...
Posted by dennis at November 9, 2005 02:29 AMKeep dreaming Dennis. Maybe by 2020 you'll get the House back.
BTW, there was no late rally for Kaine. Another lie so that you could spin your story about how Bush caused him to lose. Kain did himself in with a terrible campaign.
BTW, just about everyone Clinton campaigned for in the last 5 years has LOST. Can't wait until he stumps for Hillary.
Posted by The Real Truth at November 9, 2005 03:40 AMFunny that no one has mentioned the props in Ohio. Maybe that's because after all the money Soros et. al. spent on it, they were defeated. And not by just a little. It was a butt whipping.
This is the real news of the election night. For all the talk on the threads the last month about how 'Amercian voters were waking up to the truth', it looks to me like they were already awake and a lot more aware of the issues than you thought. And that should scare you because the only way Dem's win anymore is when voters are ignorant of what's going on.
Posted by The real truth at November 9, 2005 03:45 AMreal lies you're so full of shit it's running out your ears...
Posted by headxray at November 9, 2005 04:46 AMjust like a republican troll to ignore the facts...yesterday you had your ass handed to you....you want to call it a vicory go ahead...next year there will be more of the same ....al gore will take his rightful place in history as president ELECT...not hillary..and the frauds legacy to history and the now becoming defunct republican party will be that he deceived his nation into war ..and for a while damaged the integrity and credibility of these united state to the people of the world..he is a massive failure and embarrassment
Posted by dennis at November 9, 2005 04:56 AMgeorge w. bush is a shallow man..as are his followers..more and more people are beginning to see what the politics of fear..wrought by 9/11 has done to us...woe to them that did it
Posted by dennis at November 9, 2005 05:10 AMDennis,
I just about fell out of my chair with laughter!!!!
Al Gore is going to be President next year???? I've heard some idiotic comments before, but that takes the cake. Even if in your fantasy world Bush is removed from office, how does that get Al Gore in? It would fall to Cheney and after that the speaker of the House (Hastert).
I'll assume that you mean 2008. I would love it if Gore ran in '08. Republicans couldn't ask for a better present.
"more and more people are beginning to see what the politics of fear..wrought by 9/11 has done to us...woe to them that did it"
Yeah the voters of Ohio really fit into that category don't they. The props lost by an average of 65-35. In a state that Kerry came close to winning. You SHOULD be worried (actually I know you guys probably are but won't admit it).
The other big races were what I expected. Virginia had a Democratic governor the last 4 years so it wasn't a shock that Kaine won (and by the way, Warner was elected in 2001 and in 2002 the repub's won the mid-terms. So your analysis of a victory for the Dem's next year based on that doesn't compute).
The NJ race was predictable. I'm surprised the margin wasn't bigger. The Repub's made a mistake attacking Corzine for having an affair. What they should have done is spread the rumor that he supported John roberts and Sam Alito. That would have done him in.
bu$h came to the rescue! The man is a leper to his party.
TRT, you should look at the facts, it's pretty simple, your party lost!! The worm has turned, the house will go to the Dems next year!!
Posted by bushblowsturdblossom at November 9, 2005 05:30 AMreal truth...funny name
you figured out that i meant 08 for gore as president..you certainly are a smart guy..good to know i'm not talking to a total idiot
like i said you had your ass handed to you yesterday..thats a fact..you want to wear rose colored glasses go ahead...but next years elections will be huge for democrats..and as for republicans being happy should al gore run in 08..don't know why they would be ..after all he won in 2000
Posted by dennis at November 9, 2005 05:42 AMVirginia Governor
Percent
Of Vote Total
Votes
Tim Kaine, D 52% 1,006,587
Jerry Kilgore, R 46% 902,264
H. Russell Potts, I 2% 43,634
99% of precincts reporting
Source: AP
New Jersey Governor
Percent
Of Vote Total
Votes
Jon Corzine, D 53% 1,152,347
Doug Forrester, R 44% 948,372
Others 3% 72,453
97% of precincts reporting
Source: AP
=AP Declared Winner
Were the results in Virginia and New Jersey a referendum on Bush's policies?
Yes 71%
No 21%
I'm not sure 7%
Total Votes: 78,670
Note on Poll Results
Which party has the most to gain from Tuesday's elections?
Democrats 86%
Neither 9%
Republicans 6%
Which party has the most to lose?
Republicans 84%
Democrats 11%
Neither 6%
Total Votes: 82,037
Note on Poll Results
says it all judith..
Posted by dennis at November 9, 2005 06:08 AMneener neener neener! i can't hear you!
Posted by duh real trooth at November 9, 2005 06:49 AMDennis, yes it does and this is only the beginning. The political landscape in the next year is going to change.
Stat of the Week
Hotline: GOPers have a vested interest in Bush's job approval ratings, as their jobs could be in jeopardy if his numbers don't climb back to near 50% by 11/06. From '62 to '02, the pres.'s party lost an average of 43 House seats in an off-year election whenever his approval rating dipped below 50%.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/23/115741/81
On a somewhat related story to progressive wins in red state Virginia last night. I saw the Frontline report last night 11/08/05 on the last abortion clinic in Mississippi. Something came to mind, why are we not discussing the blatant racism that is ingrained in southern religious views more. What I mean by that is southern racists have been using religion to control the population for years not just black people, but more importantly white middle class. In the Frontline report we are presented with, a middle-class white woman that manages, a so called “crisis center” giving advice to a poor pregnant black girl to make sure she does not have an abortion as though she actually cares about her. We all know that this same woman would be the first one in line to kick this black woman out of her wonderful white neighborhood if she even considered moving in.
The number one rule if a group wants to stay in power is to give the population monsters to slay and what better monsters than those not doing God’s work. Our job as progressives in winning back the south should be to concentrate on the racists social, economic, political structures these religious conservatives have built. The white woman in the Frontline report I spoke of above, could not see the injustice that she helps to perpetuate on the black woman by refusing to support any social, economic, and political reforms that would help minorities in her state improve their lives so they would not have to be in a position to make these hard decisions.
The racist south has not change it has only gotten more sophisticated in its implementation of racist policies by blinding people with religious nonsense. It’s an ingenious approach wrap your views around religion and God e.g. gay rights, abortion etc. and demonize anyone that disagrees with you as anti God. We have to make an issue of the bigotry that they foster using religion as a cover. These people are nothing more than the KKK in a suit and tie we need to undress them by connecting everything they do to racism. They realized it several decades back and worked hard to make sure the left could not point the bigot finger at them. Now we need to make sure that going forward not only do we point that finger, but we engrave the word RACIST to every policy and initiative they put forward.
looks like that fraud in the white house hit another trifecta yesterday...revenge is a dish best served cold...and it's coming for stolen elections and a war that didn't have to be.....IMPEACHMENT......keep saying it ...it has a nice ring to it...
Posted by dennis at November 9, 2005 08:19 AMPC, It's coming, albeit slowly. I can see the new racism: Gays, illegal aliens, the disabled (including Vets), the poor and anybody living on the Government dole. When I volunteer for next year's elections, here in AZ, I'll be handing out flyers every Sunday morning in front of the churches or putting them on the front of car windsheilds ala Rove. These people don't see that Rovian techniques are outdated and obsolete, so they'll fall for it. Rove though, will be outdated or indicted.
BTW, these same religious zealots are the most ardent supporters for the Iraqi war. That is the most galling aspect for me to witness.
WARMONGERS and RACISTS, a good place to start.
Posted by bbtb at November 9, 2005 08:26 AMThoughts on the NJ race from a native:
Corzine did better than I expected. What had me worried up until the last week was that Corzine only got over 50% in one or two polls. In every other poll in the last few months even though he led Forrester he was stuck in the mid to upper 40s, leaving the possibility that a big chunk of the undecideds might go to Forrester.
So the weak poll numbers combined with my natural pessimism made me nervous going in, but in the end Corzine pulled it off comfortably.
One factor in Corzine's win is that the cities came through for him. The Democratic machines in Hudson, Essex, and Camden counties turned out the votes, and since turnout wasn't great in the GOP dominated counties they give Corzine a comfortable base of votes to start with.
Beyond the city machines, Corzine had high name recognition, lots of advertising, and a good GOTV ground operation.
The other big factor was his opponent.
I agree with Steve that Forrester failed to successfully associate Corzine with the corrupt Dem bosses (even though he could easily have done so). So even though people know the Jersey Dems are corrupt, most Democratic and independent voters chose not to take it out on Corzine.
I thought Forrester himself came across poorly. In his speeches and public statements (the ones I saw anyway) he came across as a smarmy, arrogant ass.
Although negative campaigning often works, in this case I think the Joanne Corzine ad backfired on Forrester. He was also hurt by the fact that Corzine's campaign responded in kind. While this didn't generate any love for Corzine, it kept Forrester looking just as dirty by comparison. Even a lot of people who voted for Forrester were holding their noses as they did it.
Overall, the constant personal attacks and negative ads by both sides probably hurt Forrester more than Corzine since when people are disgusted with both candidates they may tend to reflexively vote for their usual party preference or stay home. And since NJ has trended Democratic in recent years due to the insanity of the national GOP, more people are inclined to vote Democratic than Republican by default at this point. I think a lot of people may have voted for Corzine as a proxy vote against Bush.
After two major statewide defeats in a row, Doug Forrester's political career is pretty much over. No way the NJ or national GOP would tap him for any statewide or federal office again. Bye Doug. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Posted by NJ Brian at November 9, 2005 08:31 AMPC,
Awakening a people from a 300+ year sleep doesn't come quickly, but it is happening and it has political implications. Let me give you the Democratic percentage of the vote in the Carolinas when a Republican incumbant wins re-election, in other words,at the Democratic low point and you'll see the gradual change scince the voting rights act of 1964 was passed. (You'll also see why NC will go purple before SC-but they're both on the way.)
1972 NC 29% SC 28%
1984 NC 38% SC 36%
2004 NC 44% SC 41%
Have hope.
Scorce: World Almanac.
Posted by rlp at November 9, 2005 01:21 PM