WTF. Rummy's 1987 lobotamy is popping up again. This from a guy who Robert McNamara considers an idiot.
Posted by tempus at November 29, 2005 04:38 PMI was waiting for one of our intrepid reporters to point out to Rumsfeld that since the Iraqi tribal leaders now agree that the U.S. should set a timetable for withdrawal and that the British poll cited by Murtha shows that 80 percent of the Iraqi people want the United States to stop occupying their country, then why is the U.S. not honoring the wishes of the Iraqis and putting the troops on the first flight bound for the United States? Naturally, I waited in vain because that question that should have been one of the first to be aimed at Rumsfeld never arrived.
Posted by Erroll at November 29, 2005 05:37 PMBut remember, Erroll, Iraq is so very, very, far away--what is it, 4000 miles (I'm quoting rumsfeld here) that nothing can be known at all--everything is just a charge and a counter charge. We aren't responsible for anything, they've already got a sovereign government so if we are there, we must be there because they asked us to be there. Or maybe we're not there at all.
REading that interview was like having your head turned inside out.
aimai
Posted by AIMAI at November 29, 2005 05:54 PMFgrs y'd b sympthzr t th wntn btchrs whs nly cs s bldlttng fr llh.
[Editor: ignore=off]Bendejo, In another misguided attempt to right the sinking ship, comes to rumsfields rescue, only to be on the side of "wanton butchers" himself.
Posted by bbtb at November 29, 2005 06:16 PMFor a while there, I found Rummy perversely entertaining. That "crazy uncle" act was kind of a breath of fresh air. But God, it's been five years! Can't we get a SecDef who's just, you know, competent?
Posted by dj moonbat at November 29, 2005 06:20 PMIn Case You Missed It: Senator Sieve
From Opinion Journal's Political Diary
By John Fund
November 29, 2005
Is Senator Harry Reid all that swift when it comes to U.S. Intelligence matters? Last Wednesday, the Minority Leader appeared on KRNV-TV's "Nevada Newsmakers" program and dropped a stunning revelation. He had been informed just that day that Osama bin Laden was killed in the giant Pakistan earthquake last month. "I heard that Osama bin Laden died in the earthquake, and if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't wish anyone harm, but if that's the case, that's good for the world."
Intelligence analysts tell me that the only proper action by a top U.S. Senate leader who has been given such information is radio silence. If the report is true, such information is best released at a moment of the U.S. government's choosing. For one thing, as long as the information is tightly held, it can be used to sift out electronic intercepts that might lead to other Al Qaeda leaders. On the other hand, if Mr. Reid's public speculation proves groundless, it only embarrasses the U.S. and contributes to enemy morale. Here's hoping Al Qaeda figures aren't soon appearing on Al Jazeera television chortling about the clueless Mr. Reid.
Earlier this month, Mr. Reid was eager to keep discussions of intelligence matters under wraps. For little apparent reason, he invoked a seldom-used rule that forced the Senate to go into secret session to debate complaints about pre-war intelligence concerning Saddam's weapons programs. ...
For a while there, I found Rummy perversely entertaining
Truly did you, dj? Through all the backtracking and dumping on others? I remember hearing Rummy a couple of years back excusing the mistreatment of Iraqui prisoners. And that was all he was excusing. . . admitted to nothing. He didn't know what was going on. Right. Why have the other photos/videos not been released? I suspect that it is because our "public" couldn't handle it. Oh yeah, but it's gotta be done . . . right.
It all makes me sick. It has made me sick from the beginning.
Posted by dorita at November 29, 2005 07:56 PM
Bendito, I've seen you weaken over time. For every weak jab, you make us stronger. My resolve is heartened everyday by you Bendito. Thanks.
Truly did you, dj?
I truly did. The man was fucking hilarious sometimes. Fer instance:
"We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead."
That's Yogi Berra-quality stuff right there, folks. But as I said, the entertainment value Rummy brought to the table was fundamentally perverse, because you would really prefer a SecDef who found the epistemological absurdity of whacking people less interesting than making sure he was whacking the right people.
Posted by dj moonbat at November 29, 2005 08:11 PMWhen it comes to torture, Yogi analogies aren't even funny. He denied that anything that happened was torture. Unfortunately, that helped the more simple-minded of our population to think that it's OK to torture someone as long as it makes "us" safe.
I find no humor in that.
I see the roots of it in my own family . . . one only gets tortured if one is guilty.
Rummy has blood on his hands, as do Alberto, W and Cheney.
Posted by dorita at November 29, 2005 08:25 PMRummy knows what his co-conspirators in the Cheney administration know, that any admission of wrongdoing or error will open a crack in the dam, and that crack leads to war crimes charges.
Posted by coal_train at November 29, 2005 09:44 PMThey're pursuing the "Salvador option" in Iraq. Terrorize the population by training and arming death squads (Badr, Wolf brigades and Al-Sadr's Mahdi Army). See "wsws.org" story on this today. This is deliberate policy that has been pursued since Bremer's transitional government. Anything and everything this Administration says (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, DiRita, McClellan, Rice)is a lie.
Having completely lost control of the the country and with US forces dying and bleeding. they're pursuing a nationwide terror campaign worthy of the SS in 1941 era Ukraine. Only the Nazis were more systematic and methodical about it. Seymour Hersh says the next step is "up in the air" -- escalated bombing campaign. They've already razed Tal Afar, Fallujuah. Ramadi, and other cities, starving out the population, bombing hospitals, employing white phosphorous, napalm and most notably thermobaric weapons (fuel air explosives) that are next best thing to tactical nukes. Many observers say the thermobarics, not WP, are responsible for the charred bodies in Fallujah. Tens of thousands of Iraqis are being, tortured in Iraqi prisons by US military and contractors as well as Iraqi military and millitias.
In their frustrated rage, they're turning this benighted country into a complete bloodbath. They don't give a shit and they'll continue to get away with it until dissident elements of the US military and the CIA decide that enough is enough. If this continues, which it most certainly will, one shouldn't dismiss the possibility of a military coup in this country to oust this illegal regime. It's probably the only reason that the administration is now telegraphing troop withdrawals. I think they're scared shitless and in their fear will only resort to escalated terror both in Iraq and in the US to ward off this fate. For now they're in control . . . but a few months or a year down the line who knows. Seymour Hersh has recently hinted at this and his forthcoming New Yorker article will probably at least
intimate this. This "republic" is at a true crossroads.
I think of Bendito as some stupid little puppy (not to insult puppies of course) that runs in, takes a little (one sentence) dump, and runs away. Has he ever responded to anything he's inspired others to comment? He just comes to irritate.
And didn't rummy once say something like, "there's two answers, on the one hand, blah blah blah, and on the other....uh, there is no answer." Or some such crap. I can't believe these idiots have any kind of power, much less be the gov't of the US. God save us all, and I'm including the Iraqis in that wish.
Posted by Sharon at November 30, 2005 04:44 AMRobert Cohen, interesting post.
They have three years to implement another 9/11. (Putting on my tinfoil hat) Americans will be calling for the leveling of Iraq, Iran, etc., if such an event comes to fruitation. They are that bold and that evil, and it would provide the perfect opportunity to institute a draft. Another attack would cure all the problems this WH has at the moment. These people have a goal and nothing is going to stop them from their goal, which is control of the world's valuable resources. The only failure of these people to date has been putting Bush in office as their frontman, and their own arrogance. Biblical scholars have long predicted that "Armageddon" will take place in the middle east. If it is the battle of good against evil, I think we know which side we are on, and it isn't the good side. Just some thoughts. (poster takes off tinfoil hat).
Three more years, just think of it. Look what has been accomplished in five years. Then think what another three years can and will bring.
Posted by Judith at November 30, 2005 06:20 AMI'm with dj on the idiocy and hilarious quality of Rumsfeld and his ridiculous remarks.
The quote about Osama is priceless.
Of course dorita is right too: There really is nothing funny about these assholes and the fact that our country is being run by war criminals should give us all pause...but hey...wtf are you gonna do...a joke is a joke even when there is a macabre aspect to the teller...
Posted by John B. at November 30, 2005 06:43 AMOkay, according to Herr FeldMarshall, they're not "guerrillas", they're not "insurgents", they're certainly not a "resistance".
And the Iraqi government just this last week declared that they weren't "terrorists" (except Zarqawi).
What the hell are they then?
I think we need a Blue Ribbon Commission to decide on a name that von Rumsfeld and the Iraqi government can agree on.
Posted by euzoius at November 30, 2005 06:55 AMThnks Rbrt nd Jdth; nc pnts. Lt m dd lttl tht y gys prbbly lrdy knw.
ntcd th 'rq gv't' ttcks n th Snns fw wks g; th tmng s prfct n trms f n ddd lvl f dcptn by th Wht Hs, Pntgn nd th C nd thr mrgng sltn. Y s, whn Bsh tlks bt 'trnng' th rq rmy, h s mstly spkng bt ths frm f trnng: dth sqds. Snc th 1950's, prhps rlr, w hv rtnly trnd r pppt rgms n Cntrl nd Sth mrc, Sthst s nd n th Mddl st n r (nw nmnlly dcsd) 'Schl f th mrc's' nd, sspct, thr schls wth nms f dflctn. (ntrstngly, th S st p th rq Bths n th 60's pn th cndtn tht thy lv Kwt ln nd kll ll th ppl n r lst, svrl hndrd, r s; sspct tht svrl Bths ttndd r 'schls' f trrr btwn th rly 60's nd p t th frst gngstr pllg by bg Bsh.) Snc r gys hv nvr mbrcd n rgnl thght n thr lvs, nd thy lstn t nly ths tht mrrr thr pr-st mnds, thy r nly bl t wrk wth ld prvn mtrl whn ndr prssr.
Gng by hstry, th dth sqds mst b n fll prtnl md bfr n G lvs th trf; ls, Bsh s srs whn h sys 'w r nt lvng.' Thr s nly n wy w wll lv rq l rsrvs: f smn bggr thn s kckd r ss.
Th rsn why sd th tmng s prfct s tht th Wht Hs/Pntgn/C/crprt cbl, bng nffctv tsd th rlm f prftrng, dd nt pln n th rq grlls knwng hw t hrt s; thrfr thy ddn't pln n nythng bynd scrng th l flds. Thy wrngflly gssd tht rq ws nthr fghnstn, (whch ls srprsd thm n ts hs f crds fll). Thrfr Bsh, bng prddd by grlls tht th Vt Cng thmslvs wld rspct, frd t plnt WMD vdnc; pst wth th srvvl f r st-p pppt, Sddm; tryng t st-p tw mr trgts, Syr nd rn fr qck/dvsttng r sslt, (thrby scrng ftr bffr gv’t n Syr t prtct th l rsrvs n bth rq nd rn); dfndng thr bzrr plcy f trtr; frd tht BRC, r n f thm, my fnd sm blls; dfndng WP nd Dpltd rnm; ll th whl lmly tryng t cnnct sm wth rq nd Nw Yrk Cty, cld nly fnd th Dth Sqd Crd. (Thr r smllr 'crds' n ply, ls. Fr n, thr r svrl lyrs tht r psychlgy pmps r nw mplyd t ntt.)
Ths plns wll nt wrk; th rq grlls hv dvlpd nt smthng fr bynd wht th rq f Sddm cmmndd: thy nw hv rspct; Sddm nvr gv thm ths frm f rspct. nd ths s hw rl mn d; nd d thy wll, bt nt bfr thy nflct qt fw mr stngs tht d nthng mr thn gmtrclly wkn nc rltvly btfl cntry, th S, ls, s lng, lng g. rq wll g dwn, nd thy hv lrdy tkn s wth thm.
n clsng, w mst rmmbr n thng: r 'gvrnmnt' hs dvlpd nt svrl lyrs f dcptn. t th vry bttm s th gl f crprt prftrng. t s nt bt ppl, hr r nywhr. Fr xmpl, whn Bsh tlks bt 'dmcrcy' r 'hmn rghts' r 'lds rghts' r 'WMD' r 'vl rgms' r thr d nsm, t s cvr fr th tr mtvtn f crprt ncntvs. ll f pltcl ldrs hv bsltly n dls bsd pn fr f Gd, hmn chrctr, lv f fmly: n. Thr r n th 'gm' fr slf gn. Thy d wht thy thnk wll kp thm n stts/jb...nd nt wht s rght/mrl/sprtl.
BRAVO SCOUT! You summed it up very cohesively.
Posted by Judith at November 30, 2005 08:45 AMHaving completely lost control of the the country and with US forces dying and bleeding. they're pursuing a nationwide terror campaign worthy of the SS in 1941 era Ukraine Robert Cohen
Let me see if I can understand your points, Our soldiers are dying and bleeding Nazi's? You can't have it both ways. Every poll that I have seen of soldiers in Iraq say they believe in their mission.
So if they believe in their mission and are reenlisting to fight for a cause which they believe in, doesn't that make them more than innocent pawns? Are you calling the enlisted men and women then nazi's? Your logic is fuzzy, or your just unwilling to say what you believe.
In fact, every time our President speaks before a military group, he gets continious heartfelt standing ovations. The largest aplause line of his last speach before the Naval Acadamy middies was when he vowed to not leave until the job was done. You can see for yourself here
At least Judith admits she wears a tinfoil hat when diving deep into the Kool Aid. To believe that Bush would be overthrown by a military coup d'etat is laughable. Your point that Bush supports death squads is supported only by your saying it is true. If thats so, why did this happen? Why would US forces stop it from happening if we are complicit? You believe that because that aligns well with your belief that the US armed forces are nazi like.
Posted by FresnoBob at December 3, 2005 08:31 AMThnks FrsnBb,
dntfy wth yr vld pnts; pls llw m t ffr cpl n tms. hppn t hv jst lttl xprnc wth wrkng tghtly wth fllw mn n srs sttns. Ths my hlp xpln why Bsh, s mmbr f th cltrl lt tht crtd fr th chldrn chnc t strt thr crrs, thm fll f mnstrm dls, fls sf t spt nnsns bfr thm. ls wnt t mk cnnctn btwn ths yng nd thr 'dls,' nd fld pplctns n trms f psychlgcl mnd-st tht cnncts wth Rbrt's pnt.
cn tll y tht whn yng gys, wth cnsdrbl trnng wth wpns, lv nd fght tgthr, thy lv fr th thrll. f pltcs r nvlvd, thy r nly sd t lgtmt th vlnc tht splls t frm wthn. Thy r mtnlly vry yng nd stll n tht nvncbl stg...xctly lk thy wr drng tng yrs, bt nw thy r physclly grwn-p. (ll f s, s yng mn, r n rckt scntst, vn f w hv svrl PhD's bhnd r nms! Yng mn wll sly pctr thr prcvd wf's sxl stsfctn t nrgz vlnt bhvr, thr snctnd r nn-snctnd.) Th psychlgy hr s xctly wht th Mrns nd rmy wnt.
Cmbn th bv psychlgcl rnttn wth vry rl ncntv t th tp brss lvl t kp ftlts lw, y pwr-p th by-mnd t ngg nyn tsd f hs sqd, bt nt fr th rsns h sspcts (h thnks tht 'thy cr,' tc. ys, nthng s rlly cmplctd). dd t ths th by's knwldg tht f thy ncntr ql rsstnc n th fld, thy mrly cll n dvsttng rtllry r r spprt. Th kds fl vn mr strngly tht thy cn't ls nd 'cn't gt hrt.' Hwvr, ll f th bv nly wrks f th scnr s s w hv tdy n rq. Th rl mttl f mn s msrd whn h s fghtng dfnsvly. by tht gs t t fght knwng tht h my d...bcms mn. (Ths s why th rq grlls hv th rspct f mn rnd th wrld. Frthr, ths tht hv zr rspct fr th grlls ncvr thr lck f mnhd...thy r stll bys. Nt tht w r ld, r 'gv't,' by bys! nd wmn. Ths s th src f th bzrr dlsn wtnssd snc th Crtr yrs) by tht wll nt g fght bcs h my d...stys by ntl h rchs tht pnt f grwng nt mn, f lcky. Ths s why rspnsbl pltcl ldrs mst knw whn t fght; (nd ls why wmn cn nvr b ldr; wmn r prgrmmd t kp mn bsy, s ny hsbnd knws), t snd mprl kds t fght gngstr ctn snds shck wvs f dscntnt t sm ftr pnt whn th by bcms mn. t tht ftr lvl f cnscnc, th nw 'mn' fls tht h ws xpltd whn h ws 'by' drng hs mltry prd, fr fghtng fght wtht lgtmcy t grt prsnl rsk. Wthn sm rng f mtn, h wll fl trckd/xpltd, nd flsh. Ths s th src f dscntnt prdcd by th Vtnm gngstr ctn tht rnd r rmy drng th 60's nd rly 70's.
n fnl thng tht cnncts wth Rbrt's nsght. Th mprl bhvrs f dgrdtn, hstrclly spkng, lwys ccrs whn th nvdr sly vrcms ntl rsstnc. Sccssfl ldrs wrngflly ttrbt thr sccss t thr 'gd-lk' pwrs. Nt ftr th dft f th rglr rq rmy, w sw th vd ftg f r gnrls ctlly swggrng n thr pcvd slf-mprtnc. W hv bys ldng bys. Y s, mn tht r ldrs nt nly knw th bv, thy'v xprncd ll. Thrfr, ldr mn, rl ldrs, grd thr 'bys;' xctly s fthr wld t hs wn sn. Thy mk crtn tht mprl trps nt nly t th ln, bt fr GD. nd stt th prr sntnc nt nly fr m, bt fr Jdth s wll, (wth yr prmssn, f crs).
Wow, now I know why they call it psychobabble. That is quite a response.
So the people that target innocents, killing kids when GI's are handing out candy are men? I'm sure in your book, the Hammas are giants, they only target evil jews. I see it different, the real patriots are those that fight for the defensless, those that fight against evil. While you it seems equate manliness with the cold blooded killing of innocents, men women and children just going about their day.
Posted by FresnoBob at December 3, 2005 01:16 PMThnks FrsnBb;
s tht y ndrstnd. Pls d srch n Vt Cng tctcs, 'Sth Vtnm' tctcs nd, spclly, r cntr tctcs f tht r. Th rq pllg, n bth sds, hv nt yt pprchd th lvl f psychlgcl trtr nflctd by ll prts n tht wr. Ys, ths s th stff f grll wrfr. Dth sqds, scrt plc, nd fr, fr wrs r th mthds f bth physcl nd psychlgcl cntrng. ls, pls s th ntrnt t flly ndrstnd th trm, 'ptrt.' n fnl thng...nd ths s vry dffclt fr 'mdrn' mddl clss ppl, s n ntr grp, t ndrstnd. n pllg r gngstr ctns, nd wr, ll bcm trgts f thy hlp 'th nmy.' T hlp th nmy mks n prncpl, s t crm. Ths sttmnt s nt n plgy fr mn's vl ntr, bt n hstrcl fct. Snc th trn f th 20th cntry, nd spclly snc WW, (ls, Grmn nd Jpns cvlns ll clm 'nncnc')ftr w lrnd cnsdrbl frm bth Stln nd Htlr, r wn scrt gvrnmnt hs flly mbrcd wr pn cvln ppltns fr 'pcfctn' prpss. r gys wll qckly hd bhnd th flg whnvr prssrd. Mr. Nrth ws frcd n ths drctn whn cvrng fr Rnn; nt mch rlly cm t. ls, r crprtns hr mrcnrs s dth sqds; ths s hw r gvrnmnt yd vrs mrcnry grps fr spprt prtns. My pnt hr s tht r gvrnmnt, bgnnng wth Rnn, hs 'xcsd' crprt spnsrd mrdrs: crprtns r nt hld lglly lbl fr kllng frgn cvlns (nncnts).
Vw s thrgh th ys f 'nmy:' w llw r wmn t vt, wn prprty nd t hv thrty vr mn. Th mr pwr wmn rcv, th mr dstrctv thy bcm: thy kll thr nbrn fr slf gn; thy prmt hmsxlty bcs thy r nt thrtnd; thy rfs t cr fr thr wn chldrn nd prmt mngd dstrctn f mrl dcncy nd vls n r schls, (thy lv rblln nd shw ths by dvctng vrs frms f prmssvnss, lk n crprl pnshmnt, nd thr frms f trdtnl schl pnshmnt; hmsxl clbs n cmps nd prmtn f ltrntv lf styls; gnrl lv twrd nythng tht cntrs pst trdtn bsd pn Bblcl prncpls); th styls f drss r cmpltly bsd pn vrt sxl xprssn nt drctd twrd fndng hsbnds, (sbtly f ystryr) bt fr th xprss prps f xctng mls...nd thy ct pn thm. Vwng th msss f mddl clss wmn, nt th bv wth mk-p, w hv cltrd r wmn nt snctnd prsttts nd Jzbls. Vrgns r lmst dspprd; th mr sxl ctvty fmls ngg bfr mrrg rslts n lss tr sxlty s wf. Wmn nly hv s mch; whn ts gn, t's gn. Fml sxlty xprssd n ths wy (prmrtl sx) s nthr fctr f th slf dstrctn f th fmly n tht fmls rlly hv shrt nbl prd f tr ntmcy bfr rchng th pr-mnps/crn stg. Crns lv nthng bt thmslvs; whrs, wvs f ystryr, trnd crn, cntns t lv nd cr fr hr fmly. Th sxl ctv wmn, bfr mrrg, fls t cmnt hr hsbnd t th fmly snc sh dsn't hv mch tr pssn lft. Ths nbls th mmtr ml t sly lv th mrrg nd 'strt vr' gn. Ths s th mjr src f dvrc rts f tdy. nd hr w hv nthr src f th frctrd fmly.
s y stdy tdy's wmn n th wrkplc, yr wn r thrs, nt tht drng th pst fw yrs spclly, wmn rspct n mls. xctly s th wf, thy tk fr grnt wh blt th vry bldng n whch th 'prncss' dlctly stnds. Mls d nt trt wmn s thr wvs; hwvr, wmn trt mn s thr hsbnds!! Ths s th src f thr bzrr lck f rspct twrd mn. nd m nw fndng tht ncnt scts flly ndrstd ths psychlgcl trt f wmn. ls, sspct tht ths s why Gd plcd wmn ftr mn n th chn f cmmnd. Frthr, H s sng wmn s 'Trjn hrs,' mch s t ws v tht skd dm t ls dsby Gd.
Frsn, shml ndrstnds th bv. Thy wll ls, bt thy wll g dwn fghtng. Why wll thy ls? Bcs Gd hs bndnd nsvd mn mch s H dd th ncnt srlts whn thy wndrd 40 yrs n th dsrt; Jst s H dvrcd th chrch drng th tms f th ncnt Jws nd bndnd th chrch tdy s wll. Jdgmnt Dy s cls.
Here again i am having a really difficult time understanding your points, President Bush may have been born into privledge, and be elite, but in no way would I consider him a "cultural" elite. I equate that term with a more high brow elitist attitude. The President seems to relate to me more of a principled man. Granted you may disagree with the principles he stands for but he does not come off to me as elitist.
I do not disagree that men & women can behave in an evil manner, nor do I disagree that atrocities and inhumanity has been rained down upon men by each other throughout history. Those that are venomous in their diatribes against the war constantly attribute inhuman charicteristics to those that believe the cause is just. Selective memory often accompanies these rants and they forget that the vast majority of elected democrats, supported the call to war, believed firmly that Saddam had WMD and that we needed to remove him from power. Only as the polls go down do your leaders rally to your cause. They point their finger in the wind to see where popular support is at the given moment, not whether it was the right thing to do. Saddam was responsable for hundreds of thousands of deaths. Over 100,000 Kurds, perhaps 500,000 Iranians, tens of thousands of the Shiite marsh people, thousands of Kuwatis, environmental destruction on a monumental scale (torching oil wells)and the like. This in addition to daily missles fired at our aircraft enforsing the no-fly zone (act of war), the attempted assasination of President George H. W. Bush (act of war), the financial support of suicide bombers and innumerable other acts of violence, yet from your previous posts, you equate those former Bathists and terrorists as the real men? Sorry, I don't think so. Our soldiers are doing good there. They equip hospitals, build schools and kill bad guys. I don't deny that sme screw up, but when you have 160,000 people doing anything there will always be bad apples. It is hard to contain your emotion when you see your buddies get shot up or hit an IED, but judged on the whole, I think we have accomplished amazing things when viewed through the prism of history. Their is no overwhelming popular insurgency against our troops as in Vietnam, China and Russia are not supporting our enemy with arms and logistics as in Vietnam, our casualty rate is a fraction of that in Vietnam.
I don't really think I would care to get inside our enemies head as you do. I think we just need to understand that they dispise us, our freedoms, our belief systems, the fact that we are on the whole a Judaeo-christian nation that accepts and welcolmes legal immigrants. They quite simply do not. Reading a bible is a crime, witnessing such as you do above can land you in prison, and they represent the so called reasonable middle of the road person in the countries of the middle east. The terrorists represent the extremists among the extreme.
I understand fully the meaning of the word patriot and what being a man is all about, and a guy from Albania blowing himself up along with children and women, nor a former facist bathist pissed because he is no longer in power and hates his country men because they worship in a different manner (sunnis vs shiite)represent what a patriot/man is in my mind. As I said in my previous post, Our soldiers on the ground in Iraq are reenlisting at a high rate because they beieve it is a just cause to rid Iraq of these low lifes so children can be safe in their streets.
FrsnBb,
Thnk y fr yr mny fr pnts. thnk y ndrstnd vrythng tht sd wth s. wll rspctflly wt fr ny ftr psts tht y sht my wy. tk cr