Senator Warner also stated that Bush could not have lied or misled about Iraq, because he (Warner) knew Bush's father and grandfather. That logic makes intelligent design look feasible. Yes, may be senile. Your take on Kerry is also spot on, I will not vote for him again, or Hillary, or anyone else who was stupid enough to hand out a blank check to a dangerous moron.
Posted by TIKI AL at December 1, 2005 11:53 AMRead the NYT today. They found looked up a copy of speech Nixon gave that was almost verbatim to the speech Jr. gave yesterday.
Warner is ignoring the fact that support collapsed for VN just like it has collapsed for Iraq. Interestingly enough, yesterday on tweety, Warner conceded that Jr. pretty much lied to get us into Iraq.
Posted by Ga6thDem at December 1, 2005 11:53 AMTweety was against Iraq war from the start, which took guts, as his employer, M.S.N.B.C. is owned by G.E., who manufactures war goodies.
Posted by TIKI AL at December 1, 2005 12:06 PMThanks Ga6thDem - (the link for the editorial is here but doesn’t include the text of Nixon’s speech only “But after watching the president, we couldn't resist reading Richard Nixon's 1969 Vietnamization speech. Substitute the Iraqi constitutional process for the Paris peace talks, and Mr. Bush's ideas about the Iraqi Army are not much different from Nixon's plans…
Warner is definitely senile - funding for Vietnam wasn't cut off until 1975! If Congress had not voted to kill the financing for South Vietnam and its armed forces in 1975, argues Melvin R. Laird in a heavily read article in the current issue of Foreign Affairs, Saigon might never have fallen. link Mel is still crazy -- South Vietnam had no legitimate government -- it was a US pupped and nothing but the continued US presence (and lots of US money and dead bodies) could prop up.
Posted by Marie at December 1, 2005 12:21 PMmeant to add that it has been eerie how much of the rhetoric out of this WH and the military regarding Iraq war from the early days of it could have been lifted from the LBJ and Nixon admin with only minor changes.
Posted by Marie at December 1, 2005 12:24 PMYeah, Marie, we should start calling Jr. "President Jixon."
Posted by Ga6thDem at December 1, 2005 12:30 PMIt's all in the bloodlines.
Posted by Ken Melvin at December 1, 2005 02:07 PMIt is a good thing that Bill Moyer's was at the side of LBJ to set him straight.
Oh wait, was not Bill Moyer's the subject of a laudatory post on this website not so long ago....
...my bad.
Posted by Bagley at December 1, 2005 04:46 PMIt is a good thing that Bill Moyer's was at the side of LBJ to set him straight.Posted by BagleyBill Moyer's remembers with regret. There is always room for redemption in American politics since we got Dick Nixon to kick around some more. More interesting is a comparison between Mcnamara and Bush's Klown Kollege trioPaul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, and Don Rumsfeld. Altercation has Nixon's speech updated to Bush's war. Different day, same shit. Posted by Mike at December 1, 2005 05:38 PM
AND btw I am STILL
a homo
Posted by Bagley at December 2, 2005 12:34 PM"AND btw I am STILL
a homo"
Such a clever little Monkey; suffering, I think from some sort of gender identity crises. What is it called....projection?
Posted by Bagley at December 2, 2005 05:04 PMMy patience for both Warner and Kerry has totally run out (and it was minimal to start). I don't know how Kerry got a reputation as an "intellectual." Looks like pretentiousness and pompousness to me. They are both well-coifed, narcissistic empty suits playing to the gallery.
Posted by Psyche at December 2, 2005 08:18 PM