The Left Coaster: Comment on <p>WMDgate: Fixing Intelligence Around Policy, <em>Part 3A -- A Reminder on The White House Iraq Protocol (WHIP) for Deceiving the United States </em></p>

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WMDgate: Fixing Intelligence Around Policy, Part 3A -- A Reminder on The White House Iraq Protocol (WHIP) for Deceiving the United States

OK, dems are we going to stand around whining about Karen Hughes while Bush talks about fixing the intelligence problems? And then let him take (and get) credit for doing so?

Posted by avaroo at December 15, 2005 07:22 AM

Still pretending that the IC's policy was the White House policy. Genius.

Posted by Seixon at December 15, 2005 07:25 AM

eriposte, thanks for all your work. The current desperation from Bush and especially the lockstep trolls shows that you are correct.

Posted by iamcoyote at December 15, 2005 07:35 AM

Still pretending Junior wasn't Tenet's boss. Genius.

Posted by emal at December 15, 2005 09:09 AM

And every vote in Iraq today is a poke in the eye of you insufferably stupid lefties.

Posted by at December 15, 2005 09:25 AM

a suggestion. perhaps instead of readers writing to their favorites, which in a sense dilutes the message, we all write to Keith... Over on Jane's this morning I suggested something similar after reading Redd's post about Bush defending DeLay yesterday. Ten guys getting 50 emails may not have the same impact as one guy getting 500 emails. Keith is rated #1 on MSNBC so also has more listeners.

Posted by mainsailset at December 15, 2005 09:33 AM

In other words, Bush created the intelligence lies and now admits the intelligence were lies. Are Bush and Cheney that stupid or do they think the U.S. public is that stupid or both?

Posted by smooth at December 15, 2005 09:37 AM

Creating an Iranian style government can only be viewed as good by stupid repub righties.

Posted by Goose1 at December 15, 2005 09:53 AM

As long as the trains run on time, the public couldn't care less, smooth. In my office, I mentioned Tom Delay, and crickets. I mentioned Britany Spears, and got the entire saga of her breakup from three separate people. They knew details even the skank's mom wouldn't know.

They don't even know there's an "election" in Iraq, and the whole creepy purple finger crap is lost on them. And these people lean right on social issues. Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by iamcoyote at December 15, 2005 09:59 AM

My experience is similar to iamcoyote's. "The election isn't until 2006." me: No, the Iraqi elections. "Oh. Well, they're all nutty Muslims anyway. Who cares."

The general lunchroom crowd is oblivious. It's only the republics and their trolls that give a fig. The rest of us know that once again, Dean is correct.

Posted by weinerdog43 at December 15, 2005 10:11 AM

Been pondering the motivation for outing Plame: seems almost gratuitous if it was just retaliation for the Niger report. A different motivation might be that the Niger visit unearthed the ACTUAL ORIGIN of the forgeries. I don't mean SISMI who may have been the hand that did it, but who was the brain? Did Wilson, along with Plame's CIA unit (the "brain-finders"), uncover the actual brain via some sort of paper trail? (Could this brain have been that stupid?). If so, the motivation for the brain to out Plame would the certain destruction of the brain-finders.

Speculation: let us argue that the brain was Cheney (or Bush or WHIG or Bolton or Santa). The brain-finders were Plame's outfit: her covert CIA organization. Clearly, they could not publish under national security. But they could preserve the info. And a later administration could publish it. By blowing the organization to bits, it also blew the information apart. Pretty neat speculation, huh?

Posted by whenwego at December 15, 2005 10:16 AM

WHIP--White House Information Policy.

Posted by Bad Ass at December 15, 2005 11:01 AM

I mentioned Tom Delay, and crickets. I mentioned Britany Spears, and got the entire saga of her breakup from three separate people.

Breakup? Didn't she get married and get herself knocked-up? Are they splitsville already?

Posted by snark at December 15, 2005 11:11 AM

Smooth:

The thing is . . . I don't think Bush has really admitted that the intel was lies.

It seems to me that he is making the same bogus claim that he made about a year ago, when no WMD were found. Then he blamed it on "faulty intel," which is the same argument that he is making now.

Has anyone else noticed that this really isn't "new" news, it's just a rehash of the same old line he was using then, "the intel was bad"? I don't think he has made any big revelations in his recent speeches. He's just once again blaming the intelligence community.

Posted by joregon at December 15, 2005 11:37 AM

The elections in Iraq really do make the standard dem lines even more out of touch with people. It's almost impossible to make the case that the Iraqi people should not today be voting.

Posted by avaroo at December 15, 2005 02:17 PM

The elections in Iraq really do make the standard dem lines even more out of touch with people. It's almost impossible to make the case that the Iraqi people should not today be voting.

I am totally unaware of any Dems saying that the Iraqis shouldn't be voting today.

Posted by ann at December 15, 2005 03:28 PM

If Dean, Pelosi, Kerry or Reid were president, the Iraqis wouldn't be voting. They've donw whatever they can to stop Iraqi elections. It's not a good day for them.

Posted by avaroo at December 15, 2005 04:52 PM

IF Dean, Kerry Reid or Pelosi where President we won't be in Iraq in the first place. Osama would be in Jail and Had we would have more then 1000 net jobs. It is never a good day with Bush incharge.

Posted by goose1 at December 15, 2005 05:14 PM

You're right, we wouldn't be in Iraq if Dean, Kerry, Reid or Pelosi were president. That's why there wouldn't be elections going on in Iraq today.

Posted by avaroo at December 15, 2005 05:28 PM

Yes, And there would not be over 2100 dead americans so Iraq can become Iran. Because that is what happens with this election.

Posted by Goose1 at December 15, 2005 05:39 PM

I'm sure you'll forgive me if I don't take you very seriously, Goose. I rarely take people who claim to know things they couldn't know, very seriously. But the choice wasn't between 2100 dead Americans and no dead Americans.

Posted by avaroo at December 15, 2005 06:15 PM

avaroo, I take it you don't take yourself seriously?
Cause you claim to Know thing that you could know all the time.

Posted by Goose1 at December 15, 2005 06:23 PM

Yes, I've occasionally claimed to know things I could know.

Posted by avaroo at December 15, 2005 06:35 PM

If Dean, Pelosi, Kerry or Reid were president, the Iraqis wouldn't be voting. They've donw whatever they can to stop Iraqi elections. It's not a good day for them.

You are clearly a moron. None of the politicans you have mentioned has done anything to stop the Iraqi elections. This isn't a fucking spectator sport, no one is booing the elections. But it wasn't our place to force democracy on the Iraqis. When this country was founded, people rose up and defied the existing government and fought a war of their own choice. The Iraqis are not fighting for democracy, the U.S. is doing that for them.

Posted by ann at December 15, 2005 07:48 PM