Dr. Hansen said he would ignore the restrictions. "They feel their job is to be this censor of information going out to the public," he said.
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Gee, do you think the Bush administration would do something like that? Crappy, oh Crappy, where art thou?
My apologies to everyone for baiting a troll, especially one like Crappy, whose useless argument will show up anyway. I hope you are correct, Steve, that the environmental issue might finally be on the table again. I think Americans are beginning to wake up to this issue, but I'm not sure how much of a strong suit it will be in the 2006 cycle.
Posted by sf at January 28, 2006 10:30 PMI agree, Al Gore would have worked hard to solve global warming, and dependence on foreign oil. Neither of which has been addressed by the Supreme Commander of the Universe, BUT, just before 9-11, he came on TV, and asked everyone to unplug "those little vampires" around the house, to prevent "brownouts".
Posted by TIKI AL at January 28, 2006 10:48 PMGlobal worming? Why, this is some new trick from Hamas! Global worming is only a theory, and not one of those theories like you liberals always spout in your gay Broke Back Mountian drive to make men like women and sheep like dogs. No! Rather, global worming is not a testable theory. Tree rings? Hah! Just like you liberals.
You liberals. If you were only more like us, why, your lives would be much better! No art! No love! No inspiration! No aspirations! Just money. Paint your home green! Just money. You'd be happier this way, especially if you buy a Ford Excursion. 8 mpg! Now that gives a real man a chubby!
Why, I remember back in the days when we could lynch people like you who didn't know their place. If only you were more like us! You'd be much happier!
Posted by crappy d'um at January 28, 2006 10:48 PMDid Pessimist paint that picture of Gore? Does he or she masturbate to it?
Posted by Dr. Ruth at January 28, 2006 11:00 PMGet your friends, family and associates to send this fax now.
http://www.SaveTheCourt.org/AlitoFilibuster
Posted by at January 28, 2006 11:16 PMYou liberals. If you were only more like us, why, your lives would be much better! No art! No love! No inspiration! No aspirations! Just money. Paint your home green! Just money. You'd be happier this way, especially if you buy a Ford Excursion. 8 mpg! Now that gives a real man a chubby!
Posted by crappy d'um at January 28, 2006 10:48
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Yes, you're exactly correct. A world devoid of critical thinking, complete ignorant bliss, a complete stampeding of the world's resources, money is king, pray at the church on sunday to redeem your soul and for social appearence, no real commitment to society whatsoever, cut taxes to nothing, send other peoples children to war, blame societies ill's on laziness, when questioned, blame it on socialism, communism, unionism. Same old GOP, different day.
One minor quibble:
which indicates that the debate inside the scientific community is over
Actually, for all practical purposes, it was over long ago. Sound science takes a while to make it to market, while cherry-pickers like George Taylor and Crichton can just toss their BS out whenever they feel like it. The bulk of more recent research has really been to clarify the interactions governing the causes. Most of the systems are insanely complicated (aside: My wife gives varying answers when she is asked "What do you do?", my favorite response is: "I solve differential equations."). Mitigation is the big word these days.
I think that a large portion of the nay-sayers really have understood that GW is not only happening but is also a big problem. They use the fact that the issue is complicated to their favor. Sound familiar? Something too complicated to understand so lets just boil it down to something simple that we can stuff down the public's throat. They don't want to deal with the economic realities of GW or how it will affect their precious hydro-carbon lifestyle (and profits). Additionally, some think that the same scientists that they seek to discredit, will ultimately save them. I'm sure that there are some anti-enviornmentalists, just licking their chops waiting to capatilaize on mitigation technologies.
The thing that has frustrated me to no ends, is that it would've been so much easier to create a slow, major economic shift away from hydro-carbons on our own terms had we started it 30 years ago. The kids, too much in love with their easy profits, couldn't take responsibility on their own. Now Mom is going to dictate the change... and I dun think we are going to enjoy it very much.
I-told-you-so's are going to do dick to help us at this point, but I waaaaarned you!
At the core, this is one of the problems I have with Muckprick's masturbatory "free market". The market only accounts for tangible ramifications of actions that can be quantified in a quarterly earnings report. The true cost of doing business is never really fully considered as it is, well..... too complicated.
Posted by Simp at January 28, 2006 11:57 PMSince every one of us can only know and inhabit an infinitesimal part of the life of Earth, the only moral response to the question of whether our species has caused a rise in the global temperature is to behave as though the answer were yes. It is irrelevant whether we are right or wrong; we cannot survive being wrong.
But don't take my horse from me.
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Posted by ann at January 29, 2006 07:13 AMCrappy d'um, Good parody. I got a huge kick out of it. These posts do more in making your point, then Dog of Whinning's threats and abusive behavior.
Re: Global Warming.
1. The Earth has been warming up and cooling down for lo' these last 4 billion years. Ice age and warming patterns have occurred dramatically and have cycled slowly.
2. The Earth is a huge "mother". To even assume we can a.) make dramatic changes, b.) be able to fix it; is very short sighted. If, the industrial revolution were to stop tomorrow and all future industrializatoin were to be stopped and we went back to an agricultural society, we still couldn't change a dag gum thing. Plus Billions of people would starve.
3. Its still a theory, plain and simple, we do not know for sure what encourages and what discourages the condition that causes global warming. Some are suggesting we have too many trees...yes, too many trees. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm
Some have even blamed the cows and sheep and farm animals that produce farm animals.
I'm all for making changes in helping to stop unnecessary pollution, to create more energy efficient vehicles etc. but to expect that the WORLD could do anything, even drastically, over the next 20 years that would change anything is just typical pie in the sky wishful thinking.
Lets starve a billion people because Global Warming might be true....
Posted by carpediem at January 29, 2006 07:55 AMya know crappy at first I thought you were simply an ignorant fascist party shill..now I realize that you're an ignorant shill with delusions of grandeur..your thoughts are those of the mentally disturbed..run along now it's time to change your diaper...
Posted by headxray at January 29, 2006 08:08 AMToby?
I just read your post five times. Is your post...dare I say...actually a reasonable statement?
Bendito,
Apologies, I didn't take density into account: GW = Global Warming.
Here we have a guy that programs computer simulations, entering data at his own discretion ...
You've never met or talked to an actual research scientist have you? When I said "takes a while to get to market" I was implying that this was due to peer review. All sound scientific research is heavily reviewed outside the circle of PI's (primary investigators).
who's to say warming is such a bad thing besides those wannabe tyrants of the enviro-hysterics cabal?
Looks like it is time to take a dip into the clue end of the pool.
Posted by Simp at January 29, 2006 08:08 AMAl Gore's powerpoint presentation that he's been showing around the country for free has been made into a movie/documentary
I saw a video clip from the cnn (or c-span?)website a few days ago, but I can't find it. Sorry.
Posted by Sharon at January 29, 2006 08:09 AMI found the video clip. There's a link on the upper right side of this page:
Sundance warms globally to Gore
Posted by Sharon at January 29, 2006 08:17 AMhttp://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?query="An%20Inconvenient%20Truth"
Link didn't work but the above should (if you're still interested)
Posted by Sharon at January 29, 2006 08:21 AMToby, that horse of yours may be your principal mode of transportation in our upcoming energy catastrophe---you take good care of it!
Our planet and its precious species desperately needed a President Gore in 2000---when we had a chance to perhaps stop the meltdown of our beautiful, amazingly stable climate of the past 10,000 years or so. If only there had been a God.....
In my naivete, I had childishly thought that Nero Jr.'s corporatist hostility to science---one of America's great historic strengths---would be one of many offenses that would doom him in the eyes of pragmatic Americans, who knew very well what side their bread was buttered on.
Alas, 2004 showed otherwise, that America now possesses a majority of crazed, irrational religious lunatics who instead wish to see their children obsessively bobbing to the text of Revelations in an American madras. Science: flee, Reason: begone; we are a land of vicious medieval bumpkins wearing garlic and calling for the burning of witches. Our willful ignorance has destroyed our beautiful world.
Dr. Hansen is a real throwback--- a scientist acting as though the country and its "leaders" care about scientific truth in policy making. You won't see him making official statements much longer, nor will his dismissal make page 17 of the corporate media, although blogs (like TLC) will note it.
Posted by euzoius at January 29, 2006 09:25 AMI've got the answers to Global Warming...
Lets get Carl Sagan, RIP, to come back and show us how the burning oil wells in Iraq would cause a global winter, circa, 1991.
Lets send off about 1000 of our Nuclear warheads into unpopulated islands and deserts around the globe. A Nuclear Winter will most definitely occur.
On an aside note: Lets not push for nuclear power plants as the Liberals want, so we can use coal for our electrial power plants.
The scientific community creates computer models that generate the "facts" that you liberals use to try and slow down capitalism. Its no different that the fluctuating poll data that you like to create. Junk Science goes in and Junk answers come out.
My God, our weather men can't predict where its gonna rain or shine more than 12 hours before it happens, and even then they are wrong 50% of the time.
We can't even come close to predicting where a Hurricane is heading even with all the experiences we've had with them and with our computer models. Katrina was supposed to hit some 1000 linear miles of coast, 500 miles from where it hit. Remember it was supposed to turn back into Florida, then "unexpectedly" turned.
The data used by this junk science is plainly untested, unreliable, and skewed with the liberal left's incessant desire to curb America's growth....
Yeah, lets predict what the world we be in 100 years, but still wonder if we need an umbrella for tomorrow morning's drive to work...
Posted by carpediem at January 29, 2006 09:35 AMcarpe, Wow, saving the planet from ecological destruction! What a concept! We have the technology but will we be allowed to use it, NO, because it's not cost efficient!!
Did you ever realize that there would be a world of job openings for people if the Corporate Masters would tolerate it? We could literally save the planet, spare the people and put them to work at the same time!
It's a simple concept, not very complex to some. While others like you and your ilk continually put the almighty dollar ahead of mankind!!
BTW, you want starvation, go to Darfur. Where is the King of the Crackers when you need him?
Posted by bbtb at January 29, 2006 09:37 AMAnd, right on cue, the medival bumpkin Crape jumps and cavorts around the blazing book-burning bonfire, cursing "junk science", "computer models" and such other "magics". Brandish thy cross, Crape!!
The descent into madness, the envelopment of permanent darkness, courtesy our reactionary right GOP zealots.
Posted by euzoius at January 29, 2006 09:53 AMMy mom, a retired nurse, was musing out loud to me yesterday: when she was working as a young nurse, there was NOT ONE case of breast cancer on her ward. I said it's pollution (in addition to better diagnosis probably), and told her about the mercury in tuna (which I don't think she knew about) and that the 'pubes are such f-ing hypocrites to say Canadian drugs are potentially dangerous, but the veggies and fruits from south of the border are just peachy keen.....grown with whatall fertilizers long banned in the US. Yep, corporatism/capitalism will be the death of us.
Posted by Sharon at January 29, 2006 10:02 AMCarpe, you really marginalize yourself with posts like that last one. Frankly, in light of the scientific consensus on this issue and the fact that the only people left who challenge this are either on Big Oil's payroll or fringe types, you put yourself in some pretty bad company.
If that doesn't bother you, then so be it.
Posted by Steve Soto at January 29, 2006 10:08 AMMy wife and kids and I enjoy watching American Idol....
We are just totally amazed at how much these people think and believe that they are talented. They are so delusional....Thats why I like the show, another test in human psychology.
I love to sing, I sing wonderful at least thats the opinion of anyone that hasn't heard me.
I really look at your posts and I see Rhennota (if you watch the show, you know who she is) or as I like to call him Dog of Whinning, post.
I see the same geniune and sincere types of people who really, really believe they are good and right and know all the answers. Even on the show, I see moms and dads supporting their children who have little if any talent. I suppose that this server is alot like those parents who are always reminding their children to ignore that evil Simon, but to keep their dream alive....
90% of you that post are sadly awful singers. About 10% seem to have some legitimate talent although you need some more intraspective lessons and perhaps a singing coach over the "facts"....
But just like Simon, I'll be back week after week to make sure that you fully appreciate how horribly awful your singing/debating skills are....
Lets starve a billion people because Global Warming might be true....
Posted by carpediem at January 29, 2006 07:55 AM
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Yeah, because the world is doing such a fine job taking care of dire poverty as it is, you cumsucking pig.
Posted by God Of War at January 29, 2006 10:34 AMSorry for taking the bait. It is obvious to all of us, but I do enjoy highlighting what an absolute and complete moron Carpe is when it comes to climate change issues. Seriously Carpe, with all the respect that I can muster: you have no effing clue what you are talking about.
Carpe,
would you please give it up on things you know nothing about save for talking points?
ice age and warming patterns have occurred dramatically and have cycled slowly.
We are currently experiencing a warming cylcle that is orders of magnitude faster than anything in the past.
The Earth is a huge "mother".
Yet still, for all practical purposes, a closed system. Just because it is "huge" to you, doesn't matter diddly.
Its still a theory, plain and simple, we do not know for sure what encourages and what discourages the condition that causes global warming.
We know a lot more than you are willing to let past your willful ignorance. The exact mechanisms of the systems involved are very complex, but not so complex that we don't see the obvious. Hydro-carbon burning has highly modified the previously observed cycles.
Some have even blamed the cows and sheep and farm animals that produce farm animals.
LOL, I see it now. Anything Carpe reads concerning climate change he simply substitutes the word "blame" when he sees "contribution" Thanks for continuing to show your lack of understanding anything other than simple binary interactions.
The talking point of "well its too late to stop it, so why try" really needs to be retired. Mitigation. Look it up you twit.
We can't even come close to predicting where a Hurricane is heading
Actually, all things considered the computer models are stunningly accurate.
The data used by this junk science is plainly untested, unreliable...
Just because you don't agree with scientific conclusions doesn't make it junk.
I'll even go so far as to offer to get any real questions (not rants) answered for you directly from the actual research scientists. Drop me an email, though I doubt you will as you have absolutely no interest in the truth of such matters.
Posted by Simp at January 29, 2006 11:25 AMGlobal warming may very well be true. I can't deny that, but in a world that is four billion years old...making a demands for draconian changes in light of the last fifty years of data seems a bit odd.
Again, we can't predict the weather for tomorrow, how can we predict the World' climate in another 100 years.
Trees cause global warming, so do farting cows and sheep....
Automobiles and using coal refineries, instead of Nuclear power...
This science is more of a religion. Strange how the liberal left almost exclusively agrees with global warming and how the answer to it, is the globalization of the world. You want a commune type of a society with no American interests taking control. Strange coincidence.
I still say the science of predicting is JUNK. Computer models say whatever the computer models are told to say....
You can't trust Diebold machines under the complete control of local election boards, but you trust these wierd scientific computer models designed by Berkley professors....
Yeah, I'm the one that is losing it.
So whats the weather gonna be like in Georgia, say on June 23, 2089?
I still say the science of predicting is JUNK. Computer models say whatever the computer models are told to say....
Posted by carpediem at January 29, 2006 11:39 AM
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Please, next time a severe thunderstorm is forcast for your area, stand in an open field holding a long metal pole and test your theory.
You're such a disingenous little fuck. You may think you're clever, but I just think you're a smarmy little prick begging to have his ass kicked.
Posted by God Of War at January 29, 2006 11:52 AMgarden fertilizer fish: Since you have not changed one single mind here with your self-proclaimed "superior debating skills", I must conclude that you are a paid White House blog-clogger, or have a psychotic ego problem, not unlike the "Idol" contestants singing off-key, and forgetting their lines.
Posted by TIKI AL at January 29, 2006 12:16 PMTIKI AL: Let's invite him here to the Phoenix area where we just went past the all time record for consecutive days without rain; set it yesterday at 102 days; more sunshine the rest of the week, in fact warming into the mid to high 70's!!
I can predict the weather for tomorrow and into next week. We have this ridge of high pressure that is parked over the desert southwest. Let's get the ridge to dip into Mexico so we can get some of Seattle's rain. Please!
bbtb: Hope he takes you up on the Phoenix junket offer. The giant carp residing at the bottom of Canyon Lake would welcome a fellow scavenger (lawyer) with puckered whiskers.
Posted by TIKI AL at January 29, 2006 01:05 PMFigures, carpe has to watch American Idol to feel better about himself.
Posted by ann at January 29, 2006 01:07 PMlet's not forget the positive news: oil remains above $65/ barrel. good times, good times.
Posted by cheney at January 29, 2006 01:11 PMindeed mr. cheney. our, i mean your iraq adventure has proven to be quite lucrative and costs us so little! i salute you, sir!
Posted by prince bandar at January 29, 2006 01:12 PM"Periodic ice ages going back 10,000 years show extreme temperature swings, exceeding 6 degrees Celsius within 50 years in some cases, said Richard Sommerville, meteorologist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography."
"By contrast, human-induced climate change is thought to have raised global temperatures just 0.6 degrees Celsius during the past 150 years. The United Nations predicts the next century could bring temperature increases as high as 5.8 degrees Celsius (10.4 F).
As high-resolution data about prehistoric climates accumulates, archeologists are looking for connections between climate change and human development.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/08/earth.past.future/
Again, I'm not saying that there is no global warming, I'm saying that the exact causes, and ultimately the solutions are too speculative to be able to justify any draconian changes to our economy and way of life.
Maybe our climate would have increased in temp. even moreso, if it weren't for mankind, maybe we have made it worse. I still say the EVIDENCE, SCIENTIFIC evidence is SPECULATIVE.
Posted by carpediem at January 29, 2006 01:26 PMYou can't trust Diebold machines under the complete control of local election boards, but you trust these wierd scientific computer models designed by Berkley professors....
Yeah, I'm the one that is losing it.
Judging from that paragraph, I would say that you lost it long ago. Again I ask, are you a PD?
Taking from a concept in Snow Crash. I'm wondering if we shouldn't just get the letters "NFC" tattooed onto Carpe's forhead.
...but in a world that is four billion years old...making a demands for draconian changes in light of the last fifty years of data seems a bit odd.
The fact that the earth is 4 billion years old has nothing to do with what humans have been doing since the industrial revolution.
Homo erectus has been evolving for roughly 1.8 million years, which is why it is hard to explain the anomoly known as dickus erectus otherwise known as Carpediem.
Posted by Simp at January 29, 2006 01:26 PMI still say the science of predicting is JUNK. Computer models say whatever the computer models are told to say.... You can't trust Diebold machines under the complete control of local election boards, but you trust these wierd scientific computer models designed by Berkley professors.... Yeah, I'm the one that is losing it. … I still say the EVIDENCE, SCIENTIFIC evidence is SPECULATIVE.Posted by carpediemDiebold machines are not under complete control of local election boards. Local election boards are not qualified to determine how the machines are programmed or even if they are accurately recording data. Local election boards cannot even know if that data is being accurately transmitted and counted.
The evidence of global climate change is being gathered worldwide. It takes a real moonbat to write "Berkley professors," and think that is somehow derogatory, but perhaps you are channeling David Horowitz. The people doing the modeling are from technical schools: MIT, CalTech, and the like.
You can take the past 1,000,000 years of historical data, but it will still show via core analsyis, that when carbon dioxide levels are increasing, temperature levels are increasing in proportion.
Your Republican models do look for facts to fit theories and distort data for your political agenda, but the models that the rest of the world are using are designed to take actual measurements past and current, and extrapolate the future probabilities from that factual data.
By the way, the use of random capitalization while not proof, is a symptom of someone who is "losing it."
Lets starve a billion people because Global Warming might be true....
Hell, you people don't need global warming to do this. You've been doing it all along.
making a demands for draconian changes in light of the last fifty years of data seems a bit odd.
Exactly. There is no way that fifty years of unlimited dumping of shit everywhere, including into the atmosphere, can have an effect on anything. I'm thinking it's time to put lead back in gasoline and R-12 back on the shelf. Why even try, or think for that matter! Conoco scientists say the science is problematic, while every other reputable scientist in the world says we have a problem. I say go with Conoco! They have no special interest in the outcome.
When you get cancer, shop around and find a naturopath who says you don't have cancer. You can then ignore the other doctors and get injections of sheep placenta...flat earther. Be careful! There are Thules out there if you think too far from shore!
Hey, did you ever tell your kids the truth about Newtie? Didja?
Posted by phidipides at January 29, 2006 02:44 PMHow can reublican thermal models go back 10,000 years, when this mudball is only 5'000 years old? Blasphemer! If the earth is warming, the eantelljunt deezinar planned it that way.
Posted by TIKI AL at January 29, 2006 03:45 PMWho's afraid of Global Warming?
Posted by Jon Swift at January 29, 2006 11:00 PM