The guy that wrote "Bush' Brain" is on the no-fly list. Coincidence? I don't think so.
They're clearly using the no-fly list as punishment for dissidents. Can you say "abuse of power?"
Posted by shargash at February 8, 2006 07:49 AM"...visible anxiety will be enough for the TSA to justify taking people aside for far more intensive examination."
And yet hijackers never seem to exhibit anxiety. These people are breathtakingly incompetent.
I seem to remember that they also called the teachers union terrorists. It was all just an exaggeration, wasn't it?
Posted by beal at February 8, 2006 08:25 AMhttp://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terror99.pdf#search='FBI%20terror*%20definition'
Page Four, under the heading "Defintions"
"Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as "... the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civillian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." (28 CFR Section .85)
The definition goes on to domestic "terrorism" with the word "force."
I wonder what defines "force?"
Posted by Jolly Sapper at February 8, 2006 08:44 AMA moslem terrorist thinks that he is going to a heaven with 72 virgins. Of course they're not going to show anxiety. Incompetence indeed.
Posted by rlp at February 8, 2006 08:47 AMWould burning down 9 churchs qaulify as terrorist activity? Feel safer with NSA "on the job"?
Terrorists could have blown the levees in NO, and the pathetic response would have been the same. Where is all this NSA $ going?
Posted by TIKI AL at February 8, 2006 09:34 AMWould burning down 9 churchs qaulify as terrorist activity? Feel safer with NSA "on the job"?
Good point, Tiki Al. Is Homeland Security on this one?
Posted by at February 8, 2006 10:02 AMOh, that was me at 10:02 am.
Posted by ann at February 8, 2006 10:05 AM"Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as "... the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civillian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." (28 CFR Section .85)
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Hmmmm, sounds like the Bu$hCo Admin is very guilty of "terrorism".
Ann: Well, now there's a church burning here in Phoenix. Are they paying arsonist-trolls to keep the fear ramped up?
The NSA isn't working very well since they merged with the Motor Vehicle Department.
Posted by TIKI AL at February 8, 2006 10:22 AMTIKI AL and ann, What do you think of the Church burnings: Rovian technique, blame the terrorists and start swaying the masses? Or too early to call?
Posted by bbtb at February 8, 2006 10:28 AMThe church burnings sound like racism to me. But I'm sure Rove will find a way to use them for GOP political benefit. The man has no shame.
Posted by ann at February 8, 2006 10:30 AMChurch burnings seem a bit to convienient to be nothing more than racism. But I like thinking in a paranoid way sometimes. My vote is that these were "allowed" to happen.
Posted by Jolly Sapper at February 8, 2006 10:38 AMActually, Ann & bbtb, Spit Matthews started the "spin" on Friday about the church burnings.
He tried to bait several of the "experts" but no one bit.
It was really disturbing, because once he said it, it was in the minds of people.
He was claiming that it was 'a left-wing protest from some gay rights group or abortion rights advocates.' Not direct quotes but very similar to what he was saying.
He said it several times.
I think that Tim McVey's dream is coming true of a revolution between the zealots and the rest of us. Spit Matthews is right there as the big impetus to the coming war.
Posted by Anjha at February 8, 2006 10:38 AMAnjha, That leaves a lot of people in the middle who don't want either.
The liberals can't trust the right and likewise. Moderates are going to have to be forced to choose. In the end the human spirit will suceed because we know the right has no heart!
They will have brought this country to it's knees but we will rise up again, albeit slowly.
I thought this New Yorker piece was interesting. It considers the general subject of effective profiling, from dogs to terrorists.
Where Bush is concerned, we can safely assume that the monitoring/wiretapping/profiling activites we know about are the small tip of a very large, very dirty iceberg.
We can also assume it is carried out for reasons that have little to do with actually making us safer. It's mostly about political advantage, with an eye to financial advantage (always) and a dollop of paranoia.
Posted by OkieByAccident at February 8, 2006 10:58 AM'a left-wing protest from some gay rights group or abortion rights advocates.'
No left wing group advocating gay rights or abortion rights has ever engaged in this sort of violence and destruction. Time and time again when there is a violent protest, it is always the right wing perpetrating the violence. (ELF is excluded from conversation because they are anarchists, neither left or right.) Matthews is truly crossing a big line on this one.
Posted by ann at February 8, 2006 11:18 AMAnjha, you weren't kidding. And Cavanaugh refutes him in his response but they ignore the facts:
MATTHEWS: Is there anything in the papers down there where a Baptist church has taken a position on some social issue, gay marriage, something that's hot, where that would have aroused somebody?
ATF AGENT CAVANAUGH:I haven't seen that Chris, but it's very viable because we had an arson at a Unitarian church in rural Virginia, back in the summer, and it was right after the church at a national level had embraced gay members. There was an attack on this church in Staunton (?), Virginia, so things like that can happen.
The arson at the Unitarian church was after it embraced gay rights, by anti-gay terrorists!
Posted by ann at February 8, 2006 11:26 AMOh, didn't you know -- it's just the start of the War Against Easter.
Posted by Kaleefornian at February 8, 2006 11:56 AMby anti-gay terrorists
Read neo-cons and the current administration.
Posted by phidipides at February 8, 2006 12:32 PMRE: "Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)"
Some Republican working in the government thought it would be funny to stick Kennedy's name on the list, as in "Those liberal politicans are terrorists (giggle)."
What does Kennedy do about this outrage? Launch an investigation of the procedure for getting on the list? No, he does nothing. He doesn't even demand that they drag the 'prankster' who put him on the list before Congress.
The Democrats are worthless.
They didn't fight torture-memo Gonzales and now as attorney general he asserts that Bush is King. Wnat did you expect morons? I'm fed-up with the Democrats.
Posted by HazMat at February 8, 2006 12:59 PMhey, if anyone wants to thank rep. wilson for standing up to rove (or if trolls want to rail against this apostate) , her number is 202-225-6316. i suppose if you were from NM, she's appreciate it even more.
Posted by benjoya at February 8, 2006 01:08 PMAnd we're supposed to think that someone scared of long hair, er grass, and panties on a fence is going to proteck us?
Posted by Sharon at February 8, 2006 01:25 PMAnjha, ann, & bbtb: Some of the charcoal churchs were predominately black, most white, so I don't think race was a factor.
MSNBC just reported FBI is looking for two white men in a dark SUV. Sounds like a ROVE-ing band of arsonist-trolls to me.
Posted by TIKI AL at February 8, 2006 02:33 PMbenjoya, I wouldn't be thanking Wilson just yet. I think it's a re-election strategy on her part because she's facing a tough campaign in a swing district. Probably just a gesture.
Posted by ann at February 8, 2006 02:34 PMHow the Terrorist perceive Liberals....
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=197912006
"They took it away, with tapes of some of his speeches, but later returned it. Hamza had been interviewed regularly by the British security services since 1997 and would continue to talk to them until 2000. He later recalled that they seemed more interested in protecting his freedom of speech than prosecuting him for encouraging terrorism. "
They discovered hazard suits along with an arsenal of other things. I wonder what they were for...so that Bush could use it to make people Fear!....
Posted by carpediem at February 8, 2006 04:29 PMCrappy fuckface...
tsk tsk.
Bush is so tough on terrorism that he blew off Richard Clarke before 9/11.
Roll that up and shove it up your ass.
Posted by God Of War at February 8, 2006 06:08 PMDog of Whinning,
Again with the anal fixation. Does everything you say end up going up someone's rectum? Why do you care so much about sodomy, especially sodomy with another man.
Do you frequently try "shoving" things up your rear end? I'm really not wanting to know, but I now understand the anger. You are a closet sadist gay man that is trying to repress his hidden desires....not that there is anything wrong with that.... well actually there is. Quit repressing your anal fixation and just let go.
Posted by carpediem at February 8, 2006 06:23 PMCrappy,
You're the one with the Guckert problem, not I.
Couldn't respond to my point, so you resort to projecting your fixation with anal self-sodomy upon the rest of us.
Nasty little troll.
Posted by God Of War at February 8, 2006 07:10 PMWhat in the world do those last two posts prove. Nothing. Save America, scroll pass a troll.
Posted by Judith at February 8, 2006 07:59 PMgow right on
Posted by a narkist at February 8, 2006 08:38 PMTell me, please, what is the point of gonzalez's testamony if he hasn't been sworn in? Bupkis. How about Rove? Cheny? Bush? It's a bloody waste of time. The white house (oh, please, I have a white house) is terrorist central. The war on terror, as it were, is in D.C. Ge the chimp and his handlers out of this country and we will be ok.
Posted by sara swati at February 8, 2006 08:57 PMAgain with the anal fixation.
Here!
(Red faced) Oops! I thought this was the big liberal faggot roll call.
Posted by phidipides at February 9, 2006 07:02 AMI wouldn't be thanking Wilson just yet. I think it's a re-election strategy on her part because she's facing a tough campaign in a swing district. Probably just a gesture.
that's as may be, but her call for an investigation may help keep this story alive, so good on her, as far as it goes.
Posted by benjoya at February 9, 2006 09:11 AM