Naaaawwww! Say it taint so, Dick, you pasty-faced, fat old liar.

Well Well now we know Bush and Co.lied,but in addtion we see why W was not going to fire anyone nor was W trying to find out what the PLAMEGATE episode was all about cause he already knew why it was done. At the same time I wonder how many indictments will FITZ be handing down now that this information has come forth. I hope the owner of the blog will forward any information and other info gather on Iraq,PLAMGATE,911,able danger,downing street memos,Abrahmoff, to all democratic senators and congressmen.

This is typical of bush. every time he or his minions get a tit in the wringer, bush brings up al qaeda and the terrorist thing. the sad thing is that people buy into this crap. he is a master liar and can't stop making up stuff. Fear and terror into the hearts of Americans is how he gets away with murder - literally. I am depressed. where is that impeachment???

CAREFUL NOW !!

Aw what the heck-Run with it.

You realize this is a carefully orchestrated story by Libby's lawyer. He is floating his defense: "I was only following orders". And since the VP has wide authority to do thing dealing with classified information he won't be under any liability.

Meanwhile Libby will be able to raise some more money, get the echo machine going, and, perhaps, signal to Fitzgerald that his case is going to be very weak and he should settle.

Cheering may make people feel better, but this case is going nowhere.

Whoopsies!

Hehe. I just wonder, though, could they pick a legal argument defending Cheney by saying that "superiors" is nonspecific, i.e. no names being given? I realize it's implied, but I really want to see exactly how Cheney can get out of receiving an indictment here. How could Cheney possibly get out of this now?

Robert, good point.

In addition Steve has once again made a leap of logic from the classified info to make the case against Saddam to outing Plame for revenge.

Actually, I hope this DOES go to trial so that Joe Wilson has to testify. And then we would all see that the real liar is him.

Gol Darn you Robertdfeinman-Please everyone, disregard what he just posted. Now, get back to spreading the story !!

Don't forget to scroll past the trolls! Karl Rove is paying us a bonus now for forcing you lefties to scroll.

"How could Cheney possibly get out of this now?"

Possibly becasue there is nothing to "get out" of. Other than your wishful thinking.

A thwarted plot against LA, huh? Like the thwarted plot to attack Air Force One on 9/11? Remember that one? It damn near succeeded. And would have, too, if it wasn't the figment of someone's imagination in the White House. Or do you recall this stirring phrase: "Did I just see Air Force One"? It was uttered by the pilot of a British airliner who caught a glimpse of the president's plane cruising towards Bagdad on Thanksgiving, 2003. Designed to hit people right in the old emotional breadbasket, and fill them with pride at commander Codpiece's great plastic turkey-to-the-troops caper, it, too, never happened. Or the Code Red announced in New York at the conclusion of the democratic convention (a Code Red in Boston in Boston being too transparent), and the sheer, unadulterated guts of Laura Bush to nonetheless visit the city within hours of the tosin being sounded. And not just the city, my friends, but the very building specifically mentioned as the likely target of the imminent attack! Or the drunken orgy of looting and vandalism of the White House by the departing Clintonites, that left the Peoples House looking like a pig sty. Of course, that never happened, either. Don't get me started about yellowcake, or Saadam's alliance with Al Quaida, or pilotless drones filled with chemical weaponery, or WMD's, or the "missing" $8 billion in Iraq and the murder of New Orleans, or body armor and limbless troops....

All these incidents sprang to mind as I typed, off the top of my head. Anyway, thank God and George Bush that LA is still standing- and not necessarily in that order. In fact, probably not..

Wasn't the alleged LA or Left Coast attack supposedly thwarted that plan called "jojobe" or something? The one where the apartment caught on fire in the Phillipines, and the fire dept found evidence of a multi-plane plan?
This thwarting had nothing to do with wire tapping or even the USA.
Is this what bush is calling his success?

Jason Leopold's TRUTHOUT article puts Cheney in the center of this story. When it's all said and done, all of these defenses aim for loopholes in the semantics of the charges and the details of the laws. If the first-hand accounts like the ones Leopold is reporting begin to stack up, these defenses become moot...

Blow whistles, blow!

Goddam, it's hilarious. Check out Mediamatters - it looks like Fox is playing a clip from the disaster flick Independence Day to illustrate how the Library Tower would look when blown up by, get this, aliens! So, illegally wiretapping America to spaceship calls has saved us from being invaded by ET! Thank God Almighty Dear Leader has saved us!

rwc, not only that, it happened before 9-11, didn't it? Wasn't that Bojinka?

If this is Scootsie's "defense" (and I question if it a permissible defense to a criminal charge), then in order to establish the defense, Cheney will have to get on the stand and testify that he told his lil' buddy "Scooter" to reveal classified national defense information and the reason for that authorization.

I bet he can't wait to do that.

Why isn't the press noting that Bush's "outing" of the alleged plot on L.A. plays right into the hands of our enemies? By revealing what we knew, it helps the enemy's intelligence apparatus know what they did wrong and can correct next time. If Bill Clinton had revealed such a foiled plot, the press would have been all over him. What Bush did is nothing short of treason - and for political gain nonetheless. What a schmuck!

If I were you guys I would start worrying about the fact that all the straw men you have set up about the Abramoff scandal being a Republican scandal only is being blown away today as info about Harry Reid's involvement is being exposed.

Just like the Libby story will at some point.

Don't you guys EVER get tired of setting up these straw men only to have them destroyed by the light of the truth.

I guess not.

Harry Reid did not commit treason. George W. Bush did.

Coyote, if you hadn't put in that link, I wouldn't have belived you. There is no way reality could be so . . undeniably dumb for FOX to show clips of Independance Day to simulate the terrorist attcks.

I'm flabbergasted. Irony is more than dead, she's morally, ethic'lly, Spiritually, physically, Positively, absolutely, Undeniably, and reliably Dead.

And she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead.

abramoff money to dems: $0

David, jj, Robertfuckhead, crappydiem et al:

Your cult, and it is a cult, is dissolving. Your irrational glee as your cult leaders continue to falter is, frankly, disturbing.

A more caring individual would advise you to commit yourselves to an institution for cult deprogramming, but that individual is not I. No, I'd rather you just jump off a thousand foot cliff and save the taxpayers the trouble.

You kool-aid swilling GOParasites truly are fucking worthless. Worse than worthless, actually, as worthless individuals seldom fuck things up for others.

In any event, go to hell.

You realize this is a carefully orchestrated story by Libby's lawyer. He is floating his defense: "I was only following orders".

actually, libby's lawyers are denying that he said this.

William Jeffress, Libby's lawyer, said, "There is no truth at all" to suggestions that Libby would try to shift blame to his superiors as a defense against the charges.

try again, bedwetter?

libby throws cheney under the bus! ha!

Bush trots out another “we stopped Al Qaeda” story today, when he claimed that a 2002 plot was foiled whereby shoe bombers were stopped from blowing their way into the cockpit of airliners aiming for a Los Angeles skyscraper.

Reminds me of a time, when I was very young and didn't know how to drive, I had stood up a co-worker that I really didn't want to meet by saying that I was in an accident with my boyfriend when his car hit a tree. My boss, overhearing the conversation, asked me later how fast my boyfriend was driving. 60 mph, I said. You hit a tree at 60 mph? my boss asked. And you're not in the hospital? I turned away,red faced, and mumbled something about maybe not knowing how fast we were going.

Would that our presnit were capable of being red-faced.

in other scandal news, bush "pioneer" and transition team member Jack Abramoff says

"The guy saw me in almost a dozen settings, and joked with me about a bunch of things, including details of my kids. Perhaps he has forgotten everything, who knows"

of course, bush being bankrolled by criminals is nothing new. ask kenny boy.

Let's see: Libby wants to defend against perjury, and making false statements, by arguing that Cheney told him to reveal classified information?

Perhaps if they're before the stupidest district court judge in the federal system, that will seem logical.

Nothing at all will save Libby's ass except proof that he didn't lie to the grand jury and the FBI. Fitz has him dead to rights on those charges.

Our dear friend David opines:

"If I were you guys I would start worrying about the fact that all the straw men you have set up about the Abramoff scandal being a Republican scandal only is being blown away today as info about Harry Reid's involvement is being exposed."

The problem, Dave, is that Reid never took any positions supporting Abramoff's quid pro quo. Not one:

Link

Reid's position on off-reservation gambling was known long before Abramoff. Funny how the AP and the Right Wing Noise Machine leaves out some key ingredients to the charges:

Linky

Bummer.

"Steve has once again made a leap of logic from the classified info to make the case against Saddam to outing Plame for revenge."

Then exaplain exactly why Libby's "superiors" gave authorization to Libby to give CLASSIFIED information to partys that did not have clearance to view or discuss such information (i.e. the press - Cooper, Novak, Miller, etc.). You see, it's not Libby's lawyer that said this - if you read the article in the National Journal states:

Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, testified to a federal grand jury that he had been "authorized" by Cheney and other White House "superiors" in the summer of 2003 to disclose classified information to journalists to defend the Bush administration's use of prewar intelligence in making the case to go to war with Iraq, according to attorneys familiar with the matter, and to court records.

With this case I wouldn't necessarily trust everything stated by anonymous attorneys either. But if it's in the court records with the specific statement above, that's pretty difficult to spin and get around. Sorry.

The only way I see them getting out of this is the nonspecificity of the term "superiors". No names were given, so no direct finger could legally be pointed at Cheney (I think).

"Actually, I hope this DOES go to trial so that Joe Wilson has to testify. And then we would all see that the real liar is him."

Actually Wilson has stated in interviews that he's more than delighted to testify. He's already testified to Fitz. Is there something that we know publicly in his testimony that you can pinpoint as problematic for Wilson?

Ahem, even if Cheney told Libby to leak classified information, he would have broken no law in doing so. The Vice-President is one of the few classification officials and by law he can classify, disseminate, or declassify information as he wants.

If I were you guys I would start worrying about the fact that all the straw men you have set up about the Abramoff scandal being a Republican scandal only is being blown away today...

"Straw men" are faulty logical propositions that one attributes to one's opponents in an argument. If one puts forth an assertion on one's own behalf, it is by definition not a straw man.

You can paypal me the $20 that I typically charge for lessons in rhetoric and argumentation. Alternately, you could just shut the fuck up.

WRONG. Cheney has no such authority.

Ahem, even if Cheney told Libby to leak classified information, he would have broken no law in doing so.

1. Not clear that this is true.
2. Even if true, doesn't help Libby.

Ahem, even if Cheney told Libby to leak classified information, he would have broken no law in doing so. The Vice-President is one of the few classification officials and by law he can classify, disseminate, or declassify information as he wants.
Posted by at February 9, 2006 06:30 PM

*****

See? Its a fucking cult. THE GOP IS A CULT.

A rational person wouldn't offer up such irrational bullshit.

"Actually Wilson has stated in interviews that he's more than delighted to testify. He's already testified to Fitz. Is there something that we know publicly in his testimony that you can pinpoint as problematic for Wilson?"

Well, for one thing the fact that he testified to Congress that indeed Saddam had sought to purchase yellow cake from Nigeria demonstrates that he is indeed a liar when he said exactly the opposite later.

"The problem, Dave, is that Reid never took any positions supporting Abramoff's quid pro quo. Not one"

Really???

"Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid wrote at least four letters helpful to Indian tribes represented by Jack Abramoff, and the senator's staff regularly had contact with the disgraced lobbyist's team about legislation affecting other clients.

The activities _ detailed in billing records and correspondence obtained by The Associated Press _ are FAR MORE EXTENSIVE than previously disclosed. They occurred over three years as Reid collected nearly $68,000 in donations from Abramoff's firm, lobbying partners and clients."

Too bad the facts don't back up your position.

"Alternately, you could just shut the fuck up."

Sorry. I believe in free speech. Too bad you don't.

BEsides, I thought you were going to "scroll thru the trolls". Apparently that's not going real well is it?

Goddam, it's hilarious. Check out Mediamatters - it looks like Fox is playing a clip from the disaster flick Independence Day to illustrate how the Library Tower would look when blown up by, get this, aliens! So, illegally wiretapping America to spaceship calls has saved us from being invaded by ET! Thank God Almighty Dear Leader has saved us!

I just wonder if this reminds anyone of Condi's infamous, "No would could have imagined...."

Sorry. I believe in free speech. Too bad you don't.

No, you've confused "free" speech with worthless speech.

BEsides, I thought you were going to "scroll thru the trolls". Apparently that's not going real well is it?

Oh, I thought we were going to indulge in the mutual delusion that you were a worthwhile human being. Sorry.

"Alternately, you could just shut the fuck up."

Sorry. I believe in free speech. Too bad you don't.

BEsides, I thought you were going to "scroll thru the trolls". Apparently that's not going real well is it?
Posted by David at February 9, 2006 07:25 PM

*****

Cults for Cunts, folks, and David is a charter member.

Fuck you and your lies, David, you rat.

David states:

"Well, for one thing the fact that he testified to Congress that indeed Saddam had sought to purchase yellow cake from Nigeria demonstrates that he is indeed a liar when he said exactly the opposite later."

Give me the reference or weblink, David. I would like to decifer exactly what you are referring to. I'm sure Eriposte here who's posted an exhaustive amount of information pertaining to this case would be quite interested too.

David writes:

"Really???"

Yeah, really. Did you get a chance to read the links I gave? They dispel the notion about Reid being apart of this ring quite well, as well as demonstrating key points that the AP story clearly left out.

Reid's position pertaining to the off-reservation gambling was way before Abramoff. But in regards to the meeting with his staff and Reid's stance with the Mariana's contacts, the important question omitted by the AP story is what exactly did Reid eventually do in response? Did he stay with Abramoff, or did he go with Kennedy against Abramoff?

Well guess what, champ? He CO-SPONSORED the bill with Kennedy. Have a look at what Josh Marshall found on the matter, as well as the matter with the minimum wage issue:

I rung up Reid spokesman Jim Manley. He said Reid was a "cosponsor of Sen. Kennedy's bill; he spoke in favor of the bill on the Senate; he was a strong supporter of the bill." When I pressed Manley on whether Sen. Reid took any action adverse to the bill or made changes in timing that lead to the bill's demise, he said, "No."

Then I got hold of Ron Platt, the lobbyist referenced in the passage above, on his cell phone while he was down at a conference in Florida. I asked him whether, to the best of his recollection, Reid had taken any action against the Kennedy bill. "I'm sure he didn't," Platt told me.

According to Platt, the purpose of his contacts was to see what information he could get about the timing and status of the legislation. Reid's position on the minimum wage issue was well known and there would have been no point trying to get his help blocking it. That's what Platt says. "I didn't ask Reid to intervene," said Platt. "I wouldn't have asked him to intervene. I don't think anyone else would have asked. And I'm sure he didn't."

Now, obviously, both Reid's office and Platt are interested parties on this question. If there were evidence to the contrary you wouldn't necessarily want to take their statements at face value. But as far as I can tell there is no evidence to the contrary. And that's after speaking with supporters of the legislation who would probably know. They don't seem to think Reid had anything to do with tanking the minimum wage bill. Nothing.

In this case, despite the AP story's narrative of lobbyist contacts, there doesn't seem to be any evidence whatsoever that Reid ever took any action on behalf of Abramoff's Marianas clients.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007647.php

And perhaps even more "shocking" is the AP didn't even bother getting ahold of Ron Platt to see where Reid went with this issue:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007651.php

I know, that darn "liberal" media just ruined another chance to actually get off their lazy asses and perform any true investigative journalism. It must be tough for them to sit on their asses and publish the RNC talking points without investigation of their own.

Gotta have that he said/she said bullshit running at all times in the media, lest they be portrayed as "bias" when they actually just need to state facts and investigative evidence without a care for which side of the court it falls on.

How we doin' champ? I know the GOP talking points is slowly running dry on this Republican scandal, but I do have to give you full marks for your continual smear attempts. Unfortunately, you have the gullible public to count on.

Looks to me like Scooter's defense team has decided to put Dick Cheney on trial. This should be interesting. Of course, I don't know how this helps with the obstruction charge.

Dear Dog of Whinning,

I see some improvement in your comments.
You don't seem to be as fixated on anal sex or in placing inanimate objects up the rectums of others. Congrats.

Now to deal with your anger management....Lets work on the bi-polar manic problems you have...Say have you been missing your lithium treatments....

Looks to me like Scooter's defense team has decided to put Dick Cheney on trial. This should be interesting. Of course, I don't know how this helps with the obstruction charge.

Do you suppose Cheney told Scooter to commit perjury and obstruction of justice?

Okay Boy and Girls....

This is a test. I'll grade you all at the end.

What was obviously missing from this article?

C'mon now,. . . think.... you know where I'm going with this.....

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock. . . . . .

No, I'm not talking about how a CIA employee would encourage the CIA to send her out of work and incompetent husband to Niger to sit and drink mint juleps at the pool at the local Hilton and then return to the USA without having to either

a.) File an official Report.
b.) Sign a confidentiality agreement.

Keep trying...

No, the answer is not that the reporter failed to disclose that both Plame and Wilson had been contributing to the GORE campaign and aligned themselves clearly with Kerry's camp. Wilson was even given the role of Advisor to Kerry.

Keep Trying... You know where I'm going...

(Dog of Whinning... c'mon boy, I know you want to say it. . . .keep it up though, you're doing good.)

DING, DING, DING, DING....

AW... you all got it wrong... and I know you all knew the answer..... I'm so very disappointed that my enlightend superiors would have forgotten so soon a lesson that I've drilled over and over again....

Thats right boys and girls....

I'm talking about Plame's Status as NOT BEING COVERT. Thats right. There was NO OUTING of a COVERT agent.....

Now I want you guys and gals to keep studying real hard....

I'll be working on a bonus question when the NSA matter hits the fan and Bush is proven correct about his rights to do the wiretaps....

Don't get me started about yellowcake, or Saadam's alliance with Al Quaida, or pilotless drones filled with chemical weaponery, or WMD's, or the "missing" $8 billion in Iraq and the murder of New Orleans, or body armor and limbless troops....

Don't stop now.

Your cult, and it is a cult, is dissolving.

I think this is a little strong. We would need to look at the 9 recognized indicators of being in a cult to make this determination. If one were to see 5 of these symptoms, then one might claim the affected person has the tendency to be in a cult.

1. Personality changes:
2. Dramatic shifts of values or beliefs: BINGO
3. Changes in diet or sleep patterns:
4. Inability to make decisions without consulting a cult leader or guru: BINGO
5. Sudden use of a new ideology to explain everything: BINGO
6. Black and white, simplistic reasoning: BINGO
7. New vocabulary: BINGO
8. Insistence that you do what they are doing: BINGO
9. Refusal to attend important family events:

Well...I'll be damned. They are in a cult! You know, GOW, I thought they were just National Socialists. Shit, this proves they are full blown Nazis.

To my neo-con friends: How's your brownshirts doin', boyees?

See carpe's post to provide support to my previous analysis. He so badly wants you to belive this lie!

Thanks for waiting YEARS to tell us to also look out for INDONESIAN terrorists sitting in first-class, wearing boxcutter necklaces and cockpit door bombs by Rebock. (Asians have petite feet, are we talking a couple of "Black Cats" here? M-80s?)

Speaking of black cats:

When are we going to hear about the failed plot by Black-Muslum terrorists to fly the prop from the movie "Soul Plane" into the Grand Old Opry? At least THEIR Air Jordans could pack some formidable explosives.

Stay afraid, stay very, very afraid.

carpe = Nazi

There is NOT a lot of credibility here. A lot of bitterness, not much else. Most are of the "wishing it to be true variety" . COYOTE-pretty tame-nice effort though-COOKIE-Me Too!! Listen To Me!! "I have something to say" Facts? What are they? MOONBAT? Name says it all. "God of War"? More than likely (actually is) a WALTER MITTY type waiting in line at a library waiting for a free Internet conection. You can be anyone you want to be! Too cheap to get his own. Really nice command of the English lanquage though. Can you actually put a sentence together with regular words? Give it a try. Naw!
Carp and David seem to have you twisted in knots, You make a mighty (feeble) effort, but never quite able to refute them. Why is that? Come on-you can do better that that. Does "Scroll past the Trolls " mean put your fingers in your ears and sing?

Keep spreading the word.

If I missed anybody, sorry.

sniff sniff where'e OTEC. this is a thread about plame. sniff sniff. should be here. sniff sniff.

oh wait there's no talkng points out on this yet.

sorry OTEC. *yelp*

Cuntediem,

Who are you trying to convince, fuckface?

You can rationalize treason all you want. I prefer to punish it, and believe me you little twat, punish it I fucking will.

Your status as cult member isn't going to serve as a satisfactory excuse when the Reckoning comes.

oh look...jj's projecting again. In public.

How embarrassing.

Dear PHI,

I'm definetely losing it but I didn't see how your parody was logically connected to my game show style quiz....oh, wait the BINGO....
Oh thats good, real good....

You know I read your posts, and I watch American Idol contestants and I see alot of the same characteristics..

1. You both really, really, really believe you know that what you are doing is great...

2. You both sing/debate around your friends and they tell you that you are sooo good, and you actually believe they have good taste.

3. You both refuse to acknowledge that you are horrible and instead of listening, you curse and cry and yell at the judges.

4. You both believe with all of your heart that you have talent and that if only given a fair chance that you can prove that you know better than the listeners/voters.

5. Ultimately, you both are nothing more than entertainment, not for your singing skills/political commentary, but for your complete absence of any real talent.

You are not good enough to post a coherent thought, outside of hate. Sure you scream loud, like many of the Idol contestants, but thats not singing, and thats not political debate. Its just screaming with your bentup hatred.

Sad, that like many on American Idol, you don't hear your own voices and realize you are really really awful.

Who sets up his own questions and then answers them? (10 points)

Cuntediem,

Go look in a mirror. It's what losing looks like.

I should scroll past your incessant bullshit, but I've got this moral shortcoming that compels me to kick the living shit out of liars, cheats, and outright traitors.

So I just give in to it. Ah, were this not cyberspace...

Can you believe that cuntediem STILL comes on here and argues that Plame wasn't NOC? As if this investigation would have even been initiated if she weren't???

Fucking hilarious.

Dear Dog of Whinning,

I don't know how you can even type. I thought I saw you on Survivor tonight. I imagined you were Shane, the nicotine addict with tatoos, whining about wanting to go home....

But seriously, you are getting better. Less Anal fixating is good. Less violence threatened upon me and my children...then again, that wasn't you who was rejoicing in my children's death was it..

But try to calm down a bit more with your foul mouth. I love a good four letter word from time to time. It can prove to be extremely effective. But to use Cunt, Twat, Fuckface, etc. over and over and over again....

What exactly is the point of you being on this blog? To spew vile comments out continously? Bring it down a notch and lets debate the facts. Be a little "edgy" but don't fu*king lose it on every friggin' post.

You are getting better, so don't get discouraged, but please breath deep, think about what you are trying to convey and post some intellectually honest comments about current events.....slam me too, thats fine, but try defeating my arguments with coherent rhetoric, rather than disgusting outbursts of violent anger.... You don't beat your wife do you?

Cuntediem,

I only beat liars, cheats, and traitors. That should be clear by now.

Shit, boy, you fit in all three categories. Uh oh.

DOG OF WHINNING,

I'm willing to challenge you to the NOC matter. Ann refused to do it.

Are you man enough?

I'll leave TLC if you will agree to those terms too, depending on the actual facts that are eventually produced regarding that matter.

Steve tracks my IP addresses, I have several, work, home, handheld, and I know he tracks you too, unless of course the public library changes its IP again.

So be a man, take my challenge and then evict me from this site....or risk being exposed to the truth when you have to go bye bye...

You're not scared are you? I've made this challenge openly to the entire list, and no one is man/women enough to take it.

I think you Dog of Whinning should take the challenge and prove that you are a Fu*king Giant among your peers.....

You know you want to.... C'mon, I'm waiting....

Welcome ladies and Gentlemen to the Fight of the Century...

In this Corner, Carpediem who has continously told us that Plame was not a covert agent, and that no proof of that has been made. That only conjecture, opinion, and spin have been the basis for that idea.
He contends that Plame was not a Covert agent because she was 1.) outed by Aldrich Ames years before, 2.) she had not been on an overseas mission in over 5 years. . . such proof even coming in idiot Wilson's own words....

Now challenging him and taking the opposing Corner of the Ring, and wearing pink poke a dot panties and a man bra is. . . .

Dog of War? Pissy mists? Snarkly? PHI-doe?

Actually no one is standing in the corner, except some guy sniffing the panties who looks like Michael Moore, no wait its Al Franken....oh my God thats not a man, thats Cindy Sheehan....

Carpe writes:

"Bring it down a notch and lets debate the facts."

Hello pot? Hey! Long time no see! It's me, you remember me don't cha? Yep, you got it, it sure is kettle callin'! How the hell are ya? Good to see ya man!

I'm definetely losing it but I didn't see how your parody was logically connected to my game show style quiz

It wasn't a game show format. It's what I would use if you were on the couch. Then I would EOD your silly ass and get you a good dose of Thorazine to calm you down.

Oh, and on that Plame thing. You see, she volunteered to operate overseas without a diplomatic passport (a common passport for agents in case they are caught...a get out of jail free card). She would have been executed if she had been caught by a foreign country while enagaging in espionage. So already, she is 100 times the American you will ever be!

When Novak outed her and her front company, Brewster Jennings & Associates, many Stars started going up on the wall of CIA covert agents killed in the line of duty. Merely coincidince? Not when you consider that Fitzgerald has copies of the emails that Gonzales failed to produce. Hmmmm. I wonder which government agency has the ability to wiretap the Pretzledent?

So, you saying that Plame was not covert makes you an accessory to the murder of these CIA agents. You and every neo-con like you. Payback might be a bitch...in my opinion.

When trolls are so esily knocked back into the darkestest ages, why scroll?

Carpe, you must be a deprived MF to be on this blog so often and so long.

sniff sniff ... still no OTEC. chickenshit MF. Where's the Cosmic Nutworld News quote to refute the facts, eh? OTEC is lurking lurking.

carpe you wish you were OTEC.

Carpe? Oh, Carpe?!

Hurry back. I want to link to where Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had covert status. You know...that Fitzgerald. A real Republican. A decent man. A man of honor. Again, things you will never be.

Carpe must be composing an epic tome. Either that or his head 'sploded.

scroll past trolls = weenies

bring it. the trolls have nothing. what's to fear?

Let's see if I can hit some points:

1. Plame's possible exposure by Aldrich Ames
-this is unconfirmed and kept under highly classified CIA wraps. If Carpe has this info. in detail, man he really must have some high treasonous friends.
-I certainly don't deny the possibility, mind you. But since our dear lawyer drives himself on "facts", I would be hard pressed to crack further classified information to see this in writing somewhere.
-But let's take the scenario on its face. All we can say is that the CIA had taken her back home to her outfit in '94 for FEAR of possible exposure. And it does beg the question a bit - whom was she exposed to exactly? Whom in the press knew about her CIA covert status prior to Novak's deliberate outing? Whom exactly in the D.C. circles knew? I've often heard of Bush apologists saying "everybody knew about Plame", but not once do they cite someone who actually knew.

So who the fuck knew?

And we must also wonder if, in fact, her cover was blown way back when, why would the CIA continue to have her operate as an NOC? That's simply absurd reasoning. They also would not have continued to use the same front company and merely change the names in which she worked if the cover was truly blown. But let's keep in mind on who exactly blows covers - when Novak/Libby/Rove/possibly Cheney exposed her and her front company, not only did he commit a treasonous act against her, but they committed a treasonous act against the OTHER covert agents working at her front company. Multiple identies were blown internationally.

So it only remains as a possibility that Plames cover was blown by Ames, simply because we do not have enough information to conclude. However, what's painfully obvious is these treasonous twits in our Administration along with Novak merely continued where Ames left off. It's just lovely when you think about it.

But I guess we could put that aside for a moment and just hear what the Republican-appointed, Republican special prosecutor has to say on the matter:

". In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801340.html

It really does seem to beg the question on why Fitz would directly state this without having folks at the CIA backing him up. But, in fact, they did continuously. They were pissed that Plame was exposed for obvious reasons.

2. Plame didn't travel overseas in the past 5 years.

-Incorrect again:

"Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed done "covert work overseas" on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA "was making specific efforts to conceal" her identity, according to newly released portions of a judge's opinion."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/

One way or another, her name was on an NIE marked "secret":

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/21/cia.leak/index.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002517_pf.html

Meaning that information was classified and could not be given to anyone else without clearance. This is the crux of the problem with Libby's "superiors", and it still does not in any way excuse Libby from committing perjury in court.

Well this comment section wasn't worth reading. Congratulations. You have just given the trolls what they wanted. A useless comment section, full of 4 letter words and personal attacks.

MisterOpus1,

Nice post. Too bad it's wrong.

Here's the latest:

"On Dec. 14, 2005, Libby’s lawyers asked for “all documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was classified at any time between May 6, 2003, and July 14, 2003.”

To which Fitzgerald replied, on Jan. 9, “We have neither sought, much less obtained, ‘all documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was CLASSIFIED at any time between May 6, 2003, and July 14, 2003.’”

Then the Libby lawyers asked for “any assessment done of the damage (if any) caused by the disclosure of Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee.”

To which Fitzgerald replied, also on Jan. 9, “A formal assessment has not been done of the damage caused by the disclosure of Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee, and thus we possess no such document.”

So basically the original task of this grand jury, which was to determine if anyone had broken the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act has not been done. It is utterly amazing that to this date he still says he doesn't know whether she was classified or not.

Remember the press conference when Fitz said of the leaking of her name: "the damage wasn’t to one person. It wasn’t just Valerie Wilson. It was done to all of us.” Now he can't even determine how much if any damage was done.

In my book, this is starting to become comical, just like Cindy Sheehan. I wouldn't be surprised if this was laughed right out of court.

At any rate, Fitzgerald will end of being just another "star of the weel" for the Democratic party, just like the Jersey girls, Richard Clarke, Cindy Sheehan etc.

MisterOpus1, I'm sorry the truth doesn't support your warped reality.

Just like Bush's master clusterfuck in Iraq sending the army recruiting numbers nosediving, Plame's outing is not going to be helpful in encouraging intelligent people to wanna join clandestine services. So yes, we all were hurt.

Make sure you keep the quotes where they should be. "Authorized". It's like if I, a federal employee, were to authorize the person I supervise to drive to a neighboring facility at 100mph.

It is utterly amazing that to this date he still says he doesn't know whether she was classified or not.

Jeeze, are we back on that old tired subject again.

This is a huge story with Constitutional implications.

Yet, where is the braindead MSM?

Reporting another missing white story or Bush's lies about "turrists" planning to blowup the Library Tower.

Dumb question: WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN ON THIS???

Hi David,

"Nice post. Too bad it's wrong.

Here's the latest:

"On Dec. 14, 2005, Libby’s lawyers asked for “all documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was classified at any time between May 6, 2003, and July 14, 2003.”

To which Fitzgerald replied, on Jan. 9, “We have neither sought, much less obtained, ‘all documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was CLASSIFIED at any time between May 6, 2003, and July 14, 2003.’”

Now that's a bit of a ruse really, and you have to realize what exactly was being asked, and what Fitz. was exactly and directly answering. This isn't a matter of Fitz not having ANY documents pertaining to the status of Plame's status. Rather, it's quite clear that Libby's lawyer is utilizing the Ollie North defense and trying to create a fishing expedition that sidesteps the issue altogether. Is it a question of Fitz having ALL documents pertaining to her status? Well why would he have each and every classified document pertaining to that question? The fact that the CIA believes her status is covert is more than enough, and Libby's lawyer knows that. Does Fitz have SOME documents pertaining to her covert status from the CIA? How on earth could we believe otherwise?

The CIA demanded the investigation from the start because they were pissed from the exposure of one of their undercover operatives in September of '03. Becoming a NOC agent is pretty damn hard and very serious. Tenet himself was "furious" with Bush over the leak:

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050723/1063162.asp

Now why would the CIA Director be furious?

It was known and acknowledged by US intelligence officials that Plame was working undercover prior to her exposure by Rove/Libby/Novak:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4190.htm

Now as Fitzgerald makes perfectly clear in his response to Libby's lawyer:

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/plame/files/show_case_doc-2.pdf

The information pertaining to her status is irrelevant to the issue as to whether or not Libby committed perjury. You know that, we know that, and Libby's lawyer sure as hell knows that.

Fitzgerald reemphasizes that point with another letter written to Libby's lawyer on Jan. 23. He also further clarifies something pertinent on page 3:

"As we previously advised you, we have no formal damage assessment in our possession but, as we discussed in our telephone conference call on January 18, we intend to address the matter of the relevance and admissibility of Mrs. Wilson's employment at the CIA in the context of CIPA.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/plame/files/show_case_doc-2.pdf

So we need to be patient, because it's clear Fitz. has pertinent information pertaining to her status. He's just saying to Libby's lawyer that it has nothing to do with Libby lying.
Regardless, we can add our own speculation when we investigate the IIPA act and see how that act identifies an agent as "covert":

"(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency--

(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States"

Well as I previously noted, Plame's status as classified in accordance to the information we have so far is not in question, so criteria #1 is met. For #2, I also posted that it has been revealed that she has been flying overseas for her job duties within the last 5 years- so that one is met.

So if we follow the IIPA definition, we can reasonably conclude Plame was indeed covert, which was why the CIA called for an investigation, and why Tenet was so damn mad at Bush. But we will know more later as Fitz. will likely point this out.

"Then the Libby lawyers asked for “any assessment done of the damage (if any) caused by the disclosure of Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee.”

To which Fitzgerald replied, also on Jan. 9, “A formal assessment has not been done of the damage caused by the disclosure of Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee, and thus we possess no such document.” "

Which as Fitz. pointed out is irrelevant to Libby lying to the Grand Jury.

"So basically the original task of this grand jury, which was to determine if anyone had broken the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act has not been done. It is utterly amazing that to this date he still says he doesn't know whether she was classified or not. "

Bullshit. As I clearly pointed out, he hasn't revealed this because it does NOT pertain to Libby lying in court. But in accordance to the IIPA, we can reasonably assume her status was indeed covert.

"Remember the press conference when Fitz said of the leaking of her name: "the damage wasn’t to one person. It wasn’t just Valerie Wilson. It was done to all of us.” Now he can't even determine how much if any damage was done.

In my book, this is starting to become comical, just like Cindy Sheehan. I wouldn't be surprised if this was laughed right out of court."

You have no clue as to the details within this case. They are so far under wraps with intelligence clearance as well as many documents are simply incredibly difficult to obtain for their sensitivity (i.e. President's PDB's as outlined by Fitz). Did you not read Fitz's response in it's entirety, or did you once again cherry pick the parts you liked best?

While it is certainly true that no formal assessment has been done pertaining to the damage possibly being done, we can assess from 11 different CIA agents and take their professional words on it:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163162,00.html

Now granted, there have been a few other CIA officers (retired ones) who claim otherwise, so I submit it is merely heresay on a legalistic term. But it does seem a bit intuitive that exposing a covert CIA agent along with her cover job who's sole job was to find WMD proliferation overseas is quite dangerous and counterproductive, if not damn ironic, to Bush's War on Terrorism. At worst, it's treasonous as hell.

"At any rate, Fitzgerald will end of being just another "star of the weel" for the Democratic party, just like the Jersey girls, Richard Clarke, Cindy Sheehan etc."

It is entertaining to see how little weight your word truly holds, esp. in legalistic terms. I'm amazed at how much you seemingly know about the case. You must have some serious security clearance! But it isn't surprising to see the talking points of you Bush and treason apologists slowly dissimate into thin air. As always, it's only a matter of time, which is clearly not on your side.

"MisterOpus1, I'm sorry the truth doesn't support your warped reality."

It truly gives me a chuckle to hear a neocon wingnutter tell me about reality. Your party is slowly disintegrating under it's "politics over policy" mantra. You have nothing but your own lies, obfuscations, and treasonous acts to blame.

Libby said "Superiors". Note to trolls - that means more than one. Cheney is only one of Libby's "superiors". Guess who the other one is. Hint: it ain't Bill Clinton.