At this point, and I believe that many GOP bigwigs know this, the Bush brand has marketing problems that are likely to be too great for Jeb to overcome. I see George Allen as the most likely "new model" for the cult in 2008. In the meantime, this years midterms will be a good barometer of America's possible recovery. If the Democrats can take at least one house of congress that will bode well. If they make gains but the GOP maintains control of both houses, then the transition back to reality is not complete yet. OTOH, if somehow the GOP picks up seats again dispite all of the cognitive dissonance evident today, then this fantisy world will lead to dark new reality unseen before in American's 225 years of history.
Posted by rlp at February 12, 2006 07:50 AMLet me share how I see the right wing mentality:
1. They are people that claim their religion is the only one because religion for them is not about how to be...it is about solidifying an identity....shoring up an insecure ego.. and an extremely fearful one. This is why religious intolerance is so bad and so evil. It causes wars.....just look at the harm religious fundamentalism has caused in history--far more harm than good.
2. They don't anaylize things deeply....they feel things deeply. They feel threatened by people who lead the examined life in terms of reason. They are fundamentally emotional in their thinking and are afraid. Life is a mystery but they can't handle that. They fight tooth and nail for views that make them feel secure
3. They have felt excluded from mainstream society for a long time and now that they have some power they are ecstatic...but extremely worried about losing it.
4. Religion for them is not about love, learning how to live with diversity, or humility which involves the recognition that we as humans really know very little
5. They are authoritarian based and focus on power before love. Love is about letting go and welcoming all.....power is about holding tight and excluding many.
6. This group of people needs to be worked with.
Let me ask this:
What do people see in the above lists that are openings for us to heal the divide in this country? i.e. how do we take the reigns away from Rove and the Bushies in their "pit the right and left against each other so we can do our dirty work in secret" game plan? I think that the Democrats need to learn how to help right wing fundamentalists feel: 1. safer with Dems in power. Because their need to feel safe is PARAMOUNT 2. Don't rub the fact they supported the monsters that are now in power, just welcome them back to sanity. Because these people's weakness is they cannot admit being wrong 3. Learn more about what makes them tick...they are just people. And they are not bad people, just ignorant. 4 don't fall for the personal attacks anymore. Just stay on target when talking to them...sort of like the scene in Star Wars "STAY ON TARGET!" as the fighters are buzzing around the pilot that blows up the death star. Just keep coming back to the issue/idea being discussed OVER and OVER, ignoring the personal attacks.
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The GOP is a cult.
End of story.
Posted by God Of War at February 12, 2006 08:30 AMIs it too tin-foil hat to suggest that Bush will not leave office in 2009? That the White House will manufacture a pretext for suspending the constitution and seize dictatorial powers, creating a de facto "president for life" scenario? It's how Marcos seized power in the Philippines.
When you read news articles like this, that KBR has just received a contract to build mass detention cneters here in the US, you begin to wonder if the tin-foil hat might not come in handy.
I hope Neiwert is right, and that we shouldn't be too worried . . . yet.
Posted by urizon at February 12, 2006 08:52 AMThe GOP is a cult.
Yup. The only question left for now is, when do their leadurs tell them to drink the Kool-Aid and hop the Comet Red, White and Blue to the new U.S.S.A. somewhere deep in space?
Maybe that's the thing to do. Plant the meme that heaven is a Republi-con paradise where they'll get to keep their SUck-V's and nobody pays taxes. It's lovely, and Terri Schiavo leads the bible classes. Yes, God wants the Republi-cons to come home. So drink your Kool-Aid and make sure you have plenty of plastic in your pockets because Jesus won't take a check. Just make sure to cap your wives and children in their heads first. I don't want to support them with my taxes. You Republi-cons have me convinced that some people are just drains on the economy.
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 09:01 AMAll of the current people in power fits in with the Straussian approach of the neo-conservatives.
For a frightening. although very academic study, read "Leo Strauss and the American Right" written in 1999!
The basic structure (oversimplified) from Strauss was:
1. People are amoral and will do terrible things to each other.
2. The "wise" know this and therefore need to fool the "people" into believing that there is a moral code that should justify their actions.
3. Create or use a storng authoritatrian (is that a word?) moedl - religion is good - to enforce the model.
4. Remember the leaders are not subject to the rules.
look familiar
Posted by michael at February 12, 2006 09:02 AMWhile there is certainly some personal adoration out there, George Bush is objectively such a woefully unimpressive, unaccomplished person, I am hesistant to talk about a cult of personality. He has no "personality" that I can discern.
But I don't want to be dogmatic about it, as I may not have as much personal actual contact with his supporters as others here.
Let me throw out this idea: George Bush has become, for the Reactionary Right, the personification or symbol of their "defeat" of "liberalism". That is why his true believers are so passionately committed to him that their support seems like a cult. He is the symbol of "their" political victory in America after their "defeat" by the depised Clinton.
They hate "liberalism" more than incompetence and objective national failure. They are certain that governmnet by lib'ruls would be even worse! Hence Bush, the defeater of liberalism, is irrationally defended, and is seen as being unreasonably hounded and attacked.
This is why it is comically riotious when boobs like Crape talk about "the loony left" being full of hate----the only way to explain the extreme right's attitude toward Bush, other than it being a personality cult, is THEIR blind hatred of "liberals" and "liberalism".
Posted by euzoius at February 12, 2006 09:03 AM
as a side note, i don't want the dems to win control of either house in 2006. i want to end up with a 50-50 senate and a 218-217 house.
there will be a lot of chickens coming home to roost in the last two years of bush's term, and i don't want the dems to have their fingerprints on any of them.
the composition of senate and house that i prefer will keep the administration in check (they just squeezed the budget through, for instance, with the majority they've got) without in any sense putting dems in a position where they would have any responsibility.
yes, i'd like to have subpoena power, too, but in the big scheme of things, that's less impotant than making sure that the disasters to come are all clearly marked "made in republican-land."
Posted by howard at February 12, 2006 09:06 AMWhen you read news articles like this,
The only shocking thing about this is that they $385 million dollars for doing absolutely nothing. But I bet it has less to do with Cheney than it does the sterling job they've done in Iraq. And man, have they converted lots of currency into Sterling and shipped it elsewhere.
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 09:17 AMUrizon:
Please fit me for a tin-foil hat as well
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/president-bush-forever_b_15375.html
Best,
Bob
Simple answers for simpletons.
The GOP is a Cult, They are Zombies. Keep it up.
(Disappointed with you Dr. GOW, your posts are turning to the quick sarcastic put downs again, they were getting so much better of late)
The winning strategy for the GOP, is for you guys to keep on keeping on....Keep doing what you are doing. Demonizing GOP members, denying any world view or political view that is any way different than yours. Because your world view of how things are done by the gop is wrong, and its been proven wrong, and you are losing with it, so, don't change keep it up.
The average GOP is a brain dead bible thumper who is being lead to the slaughter by our wonderful shepherd, Lord Jesus Bush.
Thats what you believe. Which means, that America is a cesspool of idiots, to have elected him twice and that now gives you more reasons to hate america and all that it stands for.
So your little circular reasoning proves correct in your mind. You hate America, because America doesn't agree with you, and America doesn't agree with you because you Hate America.
So continue your ignorant diatribes. Make sarcastic and simpleton excuses for why Republicans are in control, get angry....while the Republicans take more and more control of the local/state/and National elected positions....
I sometimes wonder why I come here. I love psychology, its fascinating to me. I read your posts and think of the mice in the maze, trying to find the cheese. Some do and some don't. Why and how these mice make their decisions to find the cheese or to starve is down right interesting.
Some of you would rather starve than to admit the truth of the cheese's existence.
Bush has flooded the churches with money with many programs. Therefore, he is their savior. Every Calvanist knows that money flows to the chosen. Since Bush has saved many churches, he is the representative of God and therefore is infallible - taking one from Roman Catholics. Since he is infallible, the religious rightwingnuts would allow Bush to eliminate due process, habeus corpus, and all decisions of the legislature and judiciary tc. with "signing statements" (ss). Every democrat running for office this fall better have "polling monitors" at each of their polling sites.
Posted by blueriver at February 12, 2006 09:41 AM"...the Republican party is classically in the grip of cult of personality, for surely they do not revere Bush on empirical results: the trade and budget deficits are horrendous, government grows more massive by the day, Iraq is a flaming horror scream of failure, law and order Republicans are being indicted with felonies left and right."
Alternatively, the voting public -- Republican, Democrat, Independent, and all the rest -- looked at the alternative, as presented by the Democratic Party, and decided that te situation would be worse.
Alternatively, the voting public -- Republican, Democrat, Independent, and all the rest -- determined that the situation is not as bad as you present [it].
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 09:55 AMI sometimes wonder why I come here.
Because you are getting interns pay to sit on your fat ass at the Heritage batcave and spout projectionist propaganda?
Because you are a physco?
Just trying to help!
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 12, 2006 09:59 AMAlternatively, the voting public -- Republican, Democrat, Independent, and all the rest -- looked at the alternative, as presented by the Democratic Party, and decided that te situation would be worse.
And thus did the voting public end up with the rat-fuck the so richly deserve.
When the voting public finally decides to do something about said rat-fuck, they won't be calling on the idiots who produced the afterfore mentioned rat-fuck.
It's already happining. And no Sybal, I do not want to have discourse of any kind with you.
Off to the park on a nice, if breezy day.
My sympathy to the north easters.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 12, 2006 10:06 AMSnarkyShark,
Hey buddy, what is going on? Want to play?
Regards,
Bagley
"And thus did the voting public end up with the rat-fuck the so richly deserve."
Such incisive analysis of the the present political landscape.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 10:19 AMThe winning strategy for the GOP, is for you guys to keep on keeping on....Keep doing what you are doing. Demonizing GOP members, denying any world view or political view that is any way different than yours. Because your world view of how things are done by the gop is wrong, and its been proven wrong, and you are losing with it, so, don't change keep it up.
I think this pretty well proves we're on the proper tack, and no sea change in direction is needed. I will gladly translate these glassy-eyed statements from this petulant bitch with a tray full of Kool-Aid in their hands.
Demonizing GOP members = We can call liberals traitors, far left Brokeback Mountain faggots...anything we want. But it's no fair if you say anything about us becasue it hurts our feeling and challeges our assumptions about our John Wayne manliness.
Denying any world view or political view that is any way different than yours = Can't you all get used to the idea that being a conservative means growing government at the fastest rate in history, growing the deficit at the fastest rate in history, and cutting aid to the elderly, poor, and people in school? You need to believe exactly as we do, with no deviation allowed. Please, help us bring democracy to the Sand Niggers. And if you're black, it's okay to live in my neigborhood as long as the father works a good job, keeps the yard mowed, and the mom keeps the house clean. So we wouldn't mind you living here, if you should move in. And we are not racists. We have lots of black friends, even if you never see us with one.
Because your world view of how things are done by the gop is wrong = Ignore the man behind the curtain. Just keep looking at the fire and smoke belching in front of you. "I am not a crook!"
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 10:25 AMGlenn Greenwald at Unclaimed Terroritory (link on right side of page here) has an interesting post along these same lines today as he explains how he is now much despised by the right wing because gasp of all gasps, he disagrees with Bush's policies. Yes apparently he is no longer "conservative". Yes to be true conservative nowadays means Bush supporter 100% only, no exceptions. Sounds like a cult to me.
And talk about demonizing, Project much again here crappy? Who are the people (Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Savage, Coulter, Malkin, Rove, Cheney,and Tweety) that go around wildly spouting on a daily basis the nonsense that Bush dissenter/critic= terrorist lover/American hater/traitor/liberal and then ask for the destruction of those people. Yes the conservative values of smear, destroy, and label as a traitor anyone who speaks out against Mr. Uniter not a Divider Dear Leader.
Posted by emal at February 12, 2006 10:27 AM
phidipides,
Condi? Colin? And howmany African-Americans did Dr. Howard have on his staff when he was Governor?
And this little thing of Democrats throwing oreo cookies at Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele of Maryland....just a little misunderstanding, right? Those folks just thought the Lt. Gov. was hungry.
"Sand Niggers?"
That phrase does not even deserve a rebuttal.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 10:33 AMI think it started with Jimmy Carter. You remember, the Christian evangelist who promoted the idea that we should follow our better instincts? Jimmy Carter made all of us Christians look in the mirror and examine our souls - he demanded that we live up to our faith. And half of us failed. Half of us chose expediancy over principle. Half of us rejected Christ to worship at the alter of Ronald Reagan who created the same Mujahedeen as bedevils us now. Half of us railed at the Jimmy Carter/Christ-like Bill Clinton and rejoiced at catching him with his pants down. "See?", We said, "He's just as bad as us!" Now we've transferred our faith once again to G.W.Bush (ignoring that thousand points of light guy) and are perfectly willing to transfer it once again to Jeb or Condi or anyone else who won't remind us of our own personal failings. It's not that we love war and torture and destruction of the American way of life - we just don't like mirrors.
We may be a sorry, self-protective lot but we're brutal in our self-protection so don't mess with us.
Posted by wfeather at February 12, 2006 10:38 AM".... brutal in our self-protection...."
Absolutely true and absolutely necessary -- and more brutality against the Islamic fundamentalists and their enablers is what is needed at this point.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 10:43 AMGlenn Greenwald at Unclaimed Terroritory
Carpe, if you are as interested in psychology as you profess, you need to check this out. You might then realize you were invited to a game of Al Capone baseball by your party...and you were not the batter.
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 10:45 AMThey hate "liberalism" more than incompetence and objective national failure. They are certain that governmnet by lib'ruls would be even worse! Hence Bush, the defeater of liberalism, is irrationally defended, and is seen as being unreasonably hounded and attacked
Posted by euzoius at February 12, 2006 09:03 AM
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That sums a lot of it up. It's not a cult of personality so much as a xenophobic hatred of liberalism. Since Bush is the symbol of the destruction of the philosophy, the desire for him to succeed is so strong that it blinds these people to his failures.
and more brutality against the Islamic fundamentalists and their enablers is what is needed at this point.
"NUKE THE FUCKING SAND NIGGERS!!! ...uh, I mean, we need to bring democracy to the ragheads, you fucking liberal faggots!"
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 10:53 AMphidipides,
Yes, more brutality. Win and end the war.
Do you have a problem with the "winning" part of te sentiment, or the "ending" part of the sentiments?
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 11:00 AM"Yes more brutality. Win and end the war"
Which war? Afghanistan? Iraq? Iran? The "war" on terror? What does "more brutality" look like for each of those?
end the war? what will the "end" look like? No more islamic fundamentalists on earth?
How about our silly generals who have taken pains to advise us that we cannot "win" the war in Iraq militarily. Do they think more "more brutality" will pay big dividends?
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[Editor: ignore=off]Do you have a problem with the "winning" part of te sentiment, or the "ending" part of the sentiments?
I have a problem with war crimes and the lies used to initiate war. I also have a problem with the "winning" part that includes under-supplying the troops and over-supplying the contractors with no bids. Now, what part of your plan has any sanity associated with it beyond you being a traitor to the American way or being anything more than a rascist tool?
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 11:21 AMGlenn Greenwald at Unclaimed Terroritory
Carpe, if you are as interested in psychology as you profess, you need to check this out. You might then realize you were invited to a game of Al Capone baseball by your party...and you were not the batter.
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 10:45 AM
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I took the time to read Greenwald's article and it's an excellent assessment of current conservatism. I think it's a must read for the trolls. A philosophy of loyalty has replaced a philosophy of thought within the GOP. A great American political tragedy.
Posted by sf at February 12, 2006 11:26 AMHmm, seems to me that the worst Islamic fundamentalist enablers live in the WH. What should we do? Looks like the Republicans have no interest in doing anything other than expanding the reach of fundamentalism. Bush himself holds hands with the "islamofascists".
Posted by Ga6thDem at February 12, 2006 11:44 AMmore brutality against the Islamic fundamentalists and their enablers is needed at this point.
Since the Bush adminisration has been the prime "enabler" of Islamic fundamentalism, what sort of violence against a sitting president are you suggesting? Should the Secret Service be alarmed at your hostility toward Mr. Bush for his enabling of Islamic extremists?
Posted by Repack Rider at February 12, 2006 12:01 PMThe manufactured cult of personality for George Bush is a unique event in the American experience that the Republic will recover from, just like it always has from past abuses and failures.
Yeah, but the hangover is going to be a bitch.
Posted by Fledermaus at February 12, 2006 01:49 PM“Since the Bush adminisration has been the prime "enabler" of Islamic fundamentalism, what sort of violence against a sitting president are you suggesting? Should the Secret Service be alarmed at your hostility toward Mr. Bush for his enabling of Islamic extremists?”
You have an opinion that Presidet Bush is the prime “enabler” of Islamic fundamentalism. I do not share that opinion, so I do not think that the Secret Service should be alarmed. (Parenthetically, I believe that the greatest enablers of Islamic fundamentalism are leftist apologists and multi-culturalists.)
“Hmm, seems to me that the worst Islamic fundamentalist enablers live in the WH.”
Please see my response above.
“I have a problem with war crimes and the lies used to initiate war. I also have a problem with the "winning" part that includes under-supplying the troops and over-supplying the contractors with no bids. Now, what part of your plan has any sanity associated with it beyond you being a traitor to the American way or being anything more than a rascist tool?”
What war crimes? What lies? Formulating an argument based upon facts that are later proven to be false does not constitute “lying.” This ground has been covered before. Please remember President Clinton’s statements regarding Saddam’s WMDs.
Under-supplying the troops. Well, the ones that I communicate with do complain about the lack of some supplies, but do not attribute it “….over-supplying contractors with no bids.” Certainly there have been some comments regarding how well the mercenaries are supplied, but there is no concurrent complaint that the mercenaries are be well supplied at the expense of US military personnel.
“Which war? Afghanistan? Iraq? Iran? The "war" on terror those?”
All of the above. Which one(s) do you think we should lose?
“What does "more brutality" look like for each of those?”
Summary execution for individuals captured planting roadside bombs. Mosques become legitimate targets for destruction if they are used as ambush sites or used to store weapons. Fanatic Imams are targeted for assassination. Syria shuts down it border to infiltrators or we destroy its Air Force…then its Navy….then its Army….etc….etc…etc. We do not evacuate Fallujah before we attack, we simply eliminate Fallujah. I think you get the picture now.
“end the war? what will the "end" look like? No more islamic fundamentalists on earth?”
Yes.
“How about our silly generals who have taken pains to advise us that we cannot "win" the war in Iraq militarily. Do they think more "more brutality" will pay big dividends?”
And those Generals were who? As to the “big dividends,” once you identify those Generals, youcan ask them.
phidipides,
Yes, more brutality. Win and end the war.
Do you have a problem with the "winning" part of te sentiment, or the "ending" part of the sentiments?
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 11:00 AM
*****
The chickenhawk GOP doesn't know how to win a war, you dumbass. Read a newspaper lately?
Posted by God Of War at February 12, 2006 02:05 PMSummary execution for individuals captured planting roadside bombs. Mosques become legitimate targets for destruction if they are used as ambush sites or used to store weapons. Fanatic Imams are targeted for assassination. Syria shuts down it border to infiltrators or we destroy its Air Force…then its Navy….then its Army….etc….etc…etc. We do not evacuate Fallujah before we attack, we simply eliminate Fallujah. I think you get the picture now.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 02:03 PM
*****
The picture is crystal clear now, and the picture is you as complete fucking idiot.
Holy shit you're stupid. Just...WOW.
Posted by God Of War at February 12, 2006 02:19 PMGOW,
You really do not want to pursue the "chickenhawk" line of (ill-thought-out) reasoning....remember what happened last time.
"....GOP doesn't know how to win a war"
But (most of) the Democrats are not even willing to fight it.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 02:20 PMGOW,
"....you as complete fucking idiot."
Please do provide for me your deeply-thought-out considerations regarding the tactics that should be employed to win this war. (I am sure that it involves cowardice.)
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 02:30 PMYou really do not want to pursue the "chickenhawk" line of (ill-thought-out) reasoning....remember what happened last time.
STFU you lying chickenhawk multipal-personality decietfull dishonest peice of human flotsam.
You're a legend in your own mind. I vote that Steve permenatly ban your moniker and that of your evil twin carpdeim. You (and by you I mean by extension crapman because you are one and the same) bring nothing to the discussion.
You have had a long time to learn even the basics of high school debate, and you haven't managed it.
Go hang out at Atrious if you like self abuse so much.
Ask Toby how much he enjoys that.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 12, 2006 02:35 PMGOW,
You really do not want to pursue the "chickenhawk" line of (ill-thought-out) reasoning....remember what happened last time.
"....GOP doesn't know how to win a war"
But (most of) the Democrats are not even willing to fight it.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 02:20 PM
*****
What happened "last time" you treasonous piece of shit? Did you have some imaginary cyber-victory?
You're so goddamned stupid. You really think targeting mosques and imams is going to expedite our "victory" in a Muslim region? Are you REALLY that fucking stupid, or have you just thrown in the towel and decided to kill 'em all?
And if that is your position, why isn't your CHICKENHAWK ass over there? Oh, we all know you served before, but your sissy ass ain't serving now when the game is on the line. So piss off you COWARD, strap on an M16, and put your money where your mouth is.
You wingnut scum are a real trip. You're the exact opposite of everything that is honor, integrity, and patriotism.
Posted by God Of War at February 12, 2006 02:36 PM"“end the war? what will the "end" look like? No more islamic fundamentalists on earth?”
Yes."
So Bagley....you actually think that Genocide is a the way forward?
Kill all Muslims? Because the more violence you use the more fundamentalists youll spawn.
The road you will have us walk down is pure evil.
Posted by at February 12, 2006 02:42 PM
“What happened "last time" you treasonous piece of shit? Did you have some imaginary cyber-victory?”
Oh how brave you are in the anonymity of the Internet. You pathetic little coward.
“Oh, we all know you served before, but your sissy ass ain't serving now when the game is on the line. So piss off you COWARD, strap on an M16, and put your money where your mouth is.”
And you have done exactly what in your miserable, pedestrian little life to afford you an opportunity to play the “chickenhawk” argument?
Go away little boy.
“Ask Toby how much he enjoys that.”
SnarkyShark,
Hey buddy, decided to come out and play. Has your bruised ego healed.
Who is Toby?
“So Bagley....you actually think that Genocide is a the way forward?”
And where did I advocate genocide? Do you know the meaning of genocide?
Hey buddy, decided to come out and play. Has your bruised ego healed.
Bruised ego from what? I just find you to be quite a snore. Earlier on your physicotic condition provided some small measure of amusement.
No longer, its all just one big yawn.
Irational cluckings of a chinkenhawk bed-wetting coward. Hardly original.
Posted by at February 12, 2006 02:57 PMThe above was me.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 12, 2006 02:58 PMBagley,
You're a worthless, weak, pathetic little coward, the worst kind of a pseudo-man.
Your mind is feeble, your soul corrupt, your ego divorced from reality.
Your existence serves no purpose. Your life has no meaning. Your words carry no weight. Your time on earth will have had no positive influence upon anyone. You are, in a word, a waste.
Your existence in this world means absolutely NOTHING to me. If you think your insults and threats cause me even the slightest consternation, think again. The same would be true were you standing two feet from my face.
You're nothing.
Posted by God Of War at February 12, 2006 03:03 PM… it can be definitively stated that the Republican party is classically in the grip of cult of personality,...Bush has no charisma... paradoxI disagree about one thing, Bush has the charisma of a frat brother. He's brilliant at smoozing, jollying up those he needs: the press, his cronies. He makes people feel like they're an important part of an important group. Look at the way he won over the press and still holds sway over many media toadies.
This is a revolutionary government and like all revolutionaries, it's not the success of their own policies but the overthrow of the policies of the past.
These revolutionaries don't value pragmatic success, they revere ideological efforts: State support for religion, strong central government, anti-abortion, crushing the enemies of the state at home and abroad.
These people don't care about securing the future for Americans; their hatred leads them to attack anyone who points out their social, economic, fiscal, and policy failures. They believe their ideology despite its blatant failure and will do the same thing over and over because they believe what they say and think it must be true.
Krugman quotes a book by Kissinger: A World Restored 1957 ... Kissinger, using Napoleon as a case study - but also, Krugman believes, implicitly addressing the rise of fascism in the 1930s - describes what happens when a stable political system is confronted with a "revolutionary power": a radical group that rejects the legitimacy of the system itself.
The "revolutionary power", in Kissinger's theory, rejects fundamental elements of the system it seeks to control, arguing that they are wrong in principle. For the Bush administration, according to Krugman, that includes social security; the idea of pursuing foreign policy through international institutions; and perhaps even the basic notion that political legitimacy comes from democratic elections - as opposed to, say, from God.
But worse still, Kissinger continued, nobody can quite bring themselves to believe that the revolutionary power really means to do what it claims. "Lulled by a period of stability which had seemed permanent," he wrote, "they find it nearly impossible to take at face value the assertion of the revolutionary power that it means to smash the existing framework."
SnarkyShark,
How is that One. History, Course. Going?
GOW,
Yadda, yadda, yadda.....
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 03:06 PMAlternatively, the voting public -- Republican, Democrat, Independent, and all the rest -- determined that the situation is not as bad as you present [it]. Posted by Bagley yada yada Posted by carpediem
This is a good example. Bush is at 39%, a majority think he is untruthful, that his policies are unsuccessful and detrimental to the country and no longer support his war, yet these clowns think the situation is super peachy keen. They think they have a winning program. That's the advantage of Diebold and Republican voter suppression policies.
and more brutality against the Islamic fundamentalists and their enablers is what is needed at this point. Posted by Bagley
Yes, more brutality. Win and end the war….Posted by Bagley
“They think they have a winning program.”
Compared to the program the Democrats have put forward, they [the Republicans] do.
“…caused the hatred that extremist demagogues exploit….”
And I suppose that you will tell me that President Bush drew the cartoons that have caused violent rioting in the Muslim world.
The Muslim world is a primitive and brutal place. Most of the Muslim world thinks in terms of the 14th century. I simply say that we should accommodate their mind-set and rain down all the fire (power) it takes to eliminate the threat that they (the Fundamentalists) pose to the safety and security of the Western world. What do you say: negotiate with this 14th century mind-set. What are you willing to give up first….second….third….and on and on ad on.
“Here's the place for for you. Let's see you put your skin where your mouth is, chickie.”
Been there. Done that, Mike (USN 1988-1997).
How is that One. History, Course. Going?
That was last semester, got an A. Hows that lithium treatment working out for you? Do you still hear the voices?
Posted by at February 12, 2006 03:49 PM"That was last semester, got an A."
Congratulations. Going to try another one? How did the other sixth-graders do?
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 03:55 PMBeen there. Done that, Mike (USN 1988-1997).
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 03:24 PM
*****
The war is now, pussy.
Posted by God Of War at February 12, 2006 04:03 PMGOW,
The war was also in 1991. You do not know your history do you?
Yadda, yadda, yadda....
So how did your date go last night: a new bottle of hand cream and fast connection to farmgirls 'r' us?
Or were you to busy delivering pizzas?
Still having a problem with zits?
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 04:07 PMThe fact that matters is this: There's a war raging, Bagley's all for it, and Bagley ain't fighting in it.
Ergo, Bagley is a chickenhawk pussy.
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"The fact that matters is this: There's a war raging, Bagley's all for it, and Bagley ain't fighting in it.
Ergo, Bagley is a chickenhawk pussy."
Yadda, yadda, yadda.....
But let me ask you again: you have done exactly what in your miserable, pedestrian, pathetic little life to afford you an opportunity to play the “chickenhawk” argument?
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 04:20 PMBut let me ask you again: you have done exactly what in your miserable, pedestrian, pathetic little life to afford you an opportunity to play the “chickenhawk” argument?
He doesn't have to, he is not advocating more taxpayer financed death you friggin moron, but since you are in fact advocating that, then you should have the courage of your convictions.
Whatever the hell you did in the Navy during GW1 couldnt have been more than watching tomahawks fly off on the mess TV.
You are a fucking chickenhawk in this personality manifistation, or any other.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 12, 2006 04:28 PMSnarkyShark, are you and GOW one-in-the-same? Just a curiousity on my part.
"He doesn't have to, he is not advocating more taxpayer financed death you friggin moron, but since you are in fact advocating that, then you should have the courage of your convictions."
Ok, one more time.
The chickenhawk argument is premised on the belief that to argue in favor of some course of action, the individual making the argument must be a direct party to that action.
Think about te corallary to this argument: what is required of the individual arguing aganst the action?
This is probably too taxing for you, but I am here to help.
Regards,
Bagley
P.S. GOW probably does not earn enough to pay taxes. I would suppose that some of the taxes I pay go to support his day-to-day existence.
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[Editor: ignore=off]Thank you, Bendito. A very reasoned post.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 05:23 PMP.S. GOW probably does not earn enough to pay taxes. I would suppose that some of the taxes I pay go to support his day-to-day existence.
Did the voices tell you that?
You can try to rationalize not being a chickenhawk all you want, don't change a thing nutjob.
Your taxes are being embezzeled by friends of Cheney and corrupt members of our shiite puppet goverment.
Cheers.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 12, 2006 05:45 PMWhat are you willing to give up first….second….third….and on and on ad on.
I thought you guys liked the Second Ammendment? Oh well, if that has to go with the others I guess it will just have to go. That seems to be our primary loss to this point...beyond the deficits, etc.
When the witless term chickenhawk comes into play,
When the witless want more war against somethiing they don't understand, villify it, then make the most crude stereotypical comparissonsn between the "offending" party and poorly developed subhumans...the term chickenhawk comes to mind.
Or, in your instance, witless mankey English chickenhawk git. How's the Queen, mate?
SnarkyShark, are you and GOW one-in-the-same? Just a curiousity on my part.
More projection from you. GOW and I both would like to see your sick worldview eradicated, and the earth salted for your traitorous Party, for you and your kind to go the way of the whigs.
Other than that, we are seperate enities.
Clue....just because you do it, doesnt mean every one does.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 12, 2006 05:52 PMSnarkyShark,
"You can try to rationalize not being a chickenhawk all you want, don't change a thing nutjob."
So now I am not a chickenhawk? (Read the sentence carefully and be sure to sound out all of the words.)
Gee, you can argue both sides of the same issue with equal stupidity. You. Are. The. Man.
And a "student of history"....and a veteran....I might add.
phidipides,
How clever of you to equate one, two, and three to the founding documents of theis country. (Did your Mommy help you?)
Well, I guess we can conclude that you are willing to negotiate all of the freedoms you presently enjoy. It is unfortunate that good people defending these freedoms for their own benefit must necessarily secure these benefits for you as well. The word parasite comes to mind!
"Or, in your instance, witless mankey English chickenhawk git. How's the Queen, mate?"
Oh and the typical leftist insult comes into play! Can't say we did not see that one coming.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 05:58 PMLikewise the vindictive caricatures of normal Americans as extremists or cult of personality zombies merely confirms the warp of the instigator.
Posted by Bendito at February 12, 2006 05:18 PM
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The cult-like blind loyalty of you people is confirmed pretty much on a daily basis here. There's no warp to the instigator. There is, however, a severe lack of critical thinking skills on your part.
Posted by sf at February 12, 2006 06:02 PM"Clue....just because you do it, doesnt mean every one does."
Huh? Please explain. I am not sufficiently intelligent enough to comprehend the briliance afforded by this so-very-casual, toss-off tangential reference.
It must be something you learned in your single. History. Course.
:)
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 06:04 PMsf,
"The cult-like blind loyalty of you people is confirmed pretty much on a daily basis here."
And this statement proves your critical thinking skills?
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 06:13 PMHow clever of you to equate one, two, and three to the founding documents of theis country. (Did your Mommy help you?)
You bet it's clever! I can out-think you when I'm asleep.
You're a racist sleaze bag. Nothing more. "Nuke the Sand Niggers!" The rallying cry of Scrotumly (spit and force all of the invective energy you can when you say that name).
So, will I debase myself through name calling, too? You betcha! Especially when I have to speak to vile fucks like you. I've known too many like you. You are the people who lynched Black people in the south. You are the people who gave Indians infected blankets. You are apartheid.
You are the most vile representative of the human species I can imagine, and no better than the Taliban or Al Qaeda. In fact, the similarities are striking. Of course, that makes you the average Bushco supporter.
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 06:17 PMbagel-troll, You on shift while carpe gets a day off?
Or are you really pissed about the events emerging from bu$hco? That's the only time you emerge from under your rock!
Didn't get that call back letter from the Army?
You really must be pissed that the Army doesn't even want your sorry ass! And your such a bad ass...I forgot!
Remember everybody he challenged anybody to a duel anytime...anyplace. He was even stupid enough to put his address up! So please, let's talk intelligence, bagel!!
If ever there was a cult of personality, it's you bagel-troll, the madness is deafening!
Posted by bbtb at February 12, 2006 06:30 PM"I can out-think you when I'm asleep."
Most likely, only when you are asleep.
"Nuke the Sand Niggers!"
I do believe that you are the one who introduced the phrase "Sand Nigger" into this thread.
"You are the people who lynched Black people in the south."
No. Actually, those were people like Senator Robert Byrd, a Democrat I might add.
"You are the most vile representative of the human species I can imagine, and no better than the Taliban or Al Qaeda. In fact, the similarities are striking. Of course, that makes you the average Bushco supporter"
Oh my. The sheer intellectual brilliance you display in your postings. So well thought out. So deep. So incisive. Such a grasp of the great issues that face the peoples of the world today.
I. Am. In. Awe.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 06:30 PMsf,
"The cult-like blind loyalty of you people is confirmed pretty much on a daily basis here."
And this statement proves your critical thinking skills?
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 06:13 PM
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I just observe the trolls comments, Bagley. It certainly doesn't disprove them, so what's your point?
Posted by sf at February 12, 2006 06:35 PMThat's the only time you emerge from under your rock!"
No, I actually come here when I feel like trolling the shallow end of the Internet.
"Didn't get that call back letter from the Army?"
Oh, good God. You folks and the "chickenhawk" argument. The argument is invalid and you continue to employ the argument. People, people have a conference call. Come up with a new argument. It does not have to be good. It does not have to be valid. It just has to be new.
"Remember everybody he challenged anybody to a duel anytime...anyplace. He was even stupid enough to put his address up!
No. Actually, I offered to beat the hell out of GOW. He never took me up on the offer but continues to bluster safe in the anonymity of this forum. (GOW, you are a coward!)
"So please, let's talk intelligence, bagel!!"
Well at leat in that post I dropped any pretense of anonymity. You will not do the same, will you. bbtb, like GOW, you are a coward.
"If ever there was a cult of personality, it's you bagel-troll, the madness is deafening!"
Hearing voices again, are you?
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 06:40 PMThanks for explaining your strategy on winning the ongoing war(s), Bagley---so much for gaining the "hearts and minds", eh? I guess when all Islam is a "primitive and brutal 14th century mind set", their "hearts and minds" just aren't worth the trouble.
Remember, even the SS and the Gestapo failed to be "brutal enough" to quell widespread resistance movements throughout Europe---and they knew a thing or two about brutality! Oh well, an ideal to strive for, I guess.
And that targeted assassination strategy really worked like a dream for Israel against Hamas, didn't it? Nevertheless, I definitely think there's a place for you on von Rumsfeld's personal staff.
But not in the Army, thankfully. I think the current Army chief of staff Gen. Schoomaker made an observation along the lines I referenced above.
Posted by euzoius at February 12, 2006 06:46 PM"... all Islam is a "primitive and brutal 14th century mind set", their "hearts and minds" just aren't worth the trouble."
Actually, I said "most" not "all."
But yes, a "primitive and brutal 14th century mind set" is just not worth the trouble.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 06:51 PMI offered to beat the hell out of GOW.
I'm your huckleberry.
I do believe that you are the one who introduced the phrase "Sand Nigger" into this thread.
And I do believe you introduced the meme that they are all living in the 14th century. You are a rascist. Don't be ashamed of it! Live it, you rascist fuck.
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 06:56 PMWell, good night all. I am leaving now. (SnarkySnark / GOW, you can come out now.)
Once agan: thanks to the LeftCoaster for the bandwidth.
Always a pleasure to drop in for a visit and see that the fevered rantings of the lunatic lefties remain consistent. As does the limited vocabulary and propensity for substituting name calling and foul language for discussion and discourse.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 06:57 PMSo now I am not a chickenhawk? (Read the sentence carefully and be sure to sound out all of the words.)
The sentence was fine. Your comprehension however leaves much to be desired.
Too many big words for ya?
You are most definetly a chickenhawk.
Clear?
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 12, 2006 06:58 PMWhat a gutless fuck you are, Scrotumly.
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 07:01 PMbagel, Now you've offered to beat all TLC posters up, or call them cowards...what a man you are!
(laughs) What more did I expect out of you? If anything...you are predictable, bagel! Show some originality!! Typical officer mentality!!
Now I really know why you aren't serving anymore!
Posted by bushblowsturdblossom at February 12, 2006 07:04 PMAlways a pleasure to drop in for a visit and see that the fevered rantings of the lunatic lefties remain consistent.
Posted by Bagley at February 12, 2006 06:57 PM
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Actually, I believe that domain remains in the the hands of the whacko right wing. See Coulter. See Malkin. See Limbaugh. Glad to see ya go, Bagley. Come back when you've got something better.
Posted by sf at February 12, 2006 07:07 PMNow I really know why you aren't serving anymore!
Too many bullets from behind, no doubt.
Posted by phidipides at February 12, 2006 07:08 PMbagel, Go read this commander, Jeff Huber, argue with him.
Posted by bbtb at February 12, 2006 07:10 PMMan, bagel bailed right when he was getting it from the left and the...I almost said right.
phidipides, You said everything I was thinking, "I'm your huckleberry", and most likely he would have gotten his ass fragged!
Little pissant, off to bed, bagel troll!
The wingnut freeper trolls HATE me. Big time.
Mission accomplished, I suppose. Must've struck a truth nerve.
Chickenhawks one and all, they are. Cowards of the lowest order. Ever notice how they always threaten and promote violence, but never partake in it? Curious, no?
Yeah, they want to beat down the "liberals" (who, by the way, are the ideological descendants of the Founding Fathers) but roll over and offer their puckered starfish for the fascists only too happy to rape their civil liberties. Wholly unworthy to call themselves "Americans" are these yellow wingnuts. What they are, finally, are a insult to those who have given the fullest measure of devotion in preserving the rights which they are only too glad to forfeit with blinding expidiency.
So hate me trolls, and hate my comrades. Your "respect" would be an insult.
Posted by God Of War at February 12, 2006 07:36 PMYou're leaving out a critical aspect, one that's never existed before (at least at this level) here or anywhere else: the Republicans' ability to manipulate the public via their control of the 24-hour mass media. Don't underestimate their ability to create a new cult around another Republican (George Allen seems like the most likely candidate right now, but that could change).
Posted by Rebecca Allen, RN, PhD at February 12, 2006 08:06 PMwell look out for the end of "network neutrality" on the internet. Thatll give the Fright-wingers control over the flow of info on the internet also...
See "FREE Low-Priced Speech Zone - Coming Soon To An Internet Near And Dear To You" on this site
The bushoviks have consolidated power and the departure of their twerp won't hurt them. There's no opposition and no constitution left. Smart bushoviks might well want to put a Democratic Losers' Council politician on the throne so he can take credit when the debt begins to pour over the gunwales.
Posted by Cornet Joyce at February 28, 2006 10:54 PM