Sorry
Not, much there to get excited about. The same rant that has always been out there. The media? I think they already have an idea who leaked it, and that is gonna be scary for us.
Posted by at February 17, 2006 07:02 PMI agree with Glenn, it was never going to be a tipping point.
Its a long campaign, but slowly the tide turns. We have serious work to do within the Democratic party. It is our job to hold our own leaders accountable. And most importantly we must never ever forget what these bastards tried to do.
Some year in the future when some wingnut thinks its safe to start spouting off their fake consevitive batiness, they must be slapped down and humiliated into silince. They took their little experiment as far as decent people could let it go.
Their worldview is a faliure. Their ability to govern is non-existent. They are unable to inspire anybody with anything other then fear. They do not love America, they love mammon. Their enablers must be held to account for eternity.
The outlaw Josey Wales said it best.
There aint no forgivin, and there aint no forgetin.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 17, 2006 09:35 PMThere is going to come a time when America will be divided between the pro and anti Bush camps. To a certian extent this is already true, but soon, as more true conservatives like Cooley realize that the only way to regain the virtues like respect for the individual that they truly believe in, they will have to join in at least a temporary coalition with the middle and left to (with apoligies to John Kaye and Steppanwolf) fight against "the monster."
Posted by rlp at February 17, 2006 09:36 PMEriposte, great post. A lot of what we now know of the blunders, deliberate lies and downright foolishness of the Bush Administration are because a number of Republicans have spoken up. And there will be more. There are no signs that the Bush Administration has learned anything and so the blunders will continue. And the support among the 39% that still approve of Bush's performance will continue to erode.
But there is still an enormous amount of work to do, particularly in the courts and the November elections. People need to be smart about what is happening and recognize that it may takes years to clean up the mess. I'm a liberal Democrat who sees only three goals in the coming years: to save our democracy, to save the best of a progressive legacy and to return to a system that recognizes honest facts and that has a reasonable chance of addressing real problems. Anything that can be added to that is terrific but those goals have priority because without some hard work in those areas, the rest just isn't going to be doable. Most Americans are slowly recognizing that we need reform in Washington and we need to end the worst corruption we've seen in a century. But it's going to take time to translate into nuts and bolts.
If people are feeling powerless, I can understand that, but there's still a lot people can do privately or by working with a nonprofit in areas like global warming, the environment, alternative energy, poverty and education. There's no question the government can help enormously in these areas but a lot of techniques are being learned in the private sector about getting things done.
Posted by Craig at February 17, 2006 09:56 PMWhat's everyone afraid of? That is a sweet question. What are you afraid of? Check your moral compass, if you still have one left. Or are you so caught up in your own hatred? Hey I have no problem with it. Let me ask you one more question...if there was a terrorist attack again on this great country would you blame it on Bush and his lack to secure the country?
God bless.
When I collected signatures to impeach Nixon, it was hard to get them to listen at first, later, it was like a chain letter flood.
A topless dancer, and her friends compiled a large chunk of them. Are the new generation dancers still mostly democrats, or have they become repuBLINGcans?
Posted by TIKI AL at February 17, 2006 11:34 PMAll right y'all. A year from now, we will look back on this past month and yearn for the good old days.
Posted by Mal Feasance at February 18, 2006 05:00 AMif there was a terrorist attack again on this great country would you blame it on Bush and his lack to secure the country?
God bless.
You mean like if Bush had a PDB with some vague wording like "OBL determined to attack inside the US in the immediate future" and if we had something non specific like a CIA director running around with his hair on fire and then something unrelated like Bush going on an extended brush cutting vacation without initiating any type of precautions?
Or say a commission (for the sake of argument we'll call them the 9/11 commission) makes suggestions about tightening security and 1 year later, Bush hasn't implemented any of these suggestions but has given a company based in Dubai a major role in operating ports in and around New York City despite even Republicans complaining that's not such a good idea.
Blame Bush? The very thought is ridiculous...somewhat...well..
Mr. Roberts apparently with a "change of heart". (thanks to dailykos poster a gnostic).
Ever the skeptic of the infamous whitewashing, sweeping under the rug skills, what Phase II report, of Mr. Roberts, I will wait and see just what comes of this apparent ahem...change of heart. Cheney no doubt will be visiting (don't go duck hunting Mr. Roberts) to reassure him to "Trust us...we don't need no stinking court oversight". Notice at the end of the article the WH appears receptive of some of DeWine's solutions (hmm like perhaps making the programs retroactively legal?). DeWine offers up oversight to be done by staffers on their committee....hmmmm I'm gonna go out on a limb again here but I bet that solution only would include republican staffers.
Posted by emal at February 18, 2006 05:54 AMAfter more surfing....back to post this lovely comment by Senator DeWine. Apparently his thoughts are summed up (paraphrasing here), We don't need no stinkin debate on the NSA issue...that's out of the question.
Posted by emal at February 18, 2006 06:00 AMDaryl, great response to Kris. Why is it that people like Kris seem to forget on who's watch 911 occurred?
Posted by Judith at February 18, 2006 07:03 AMBlame Bush? YOU BETCHA!
Posted by Judith at February 18, 2006 07:04 AMkris, open up, honey. i have to change the sheets
Posted by kris's mom at February 18, 2006 07:11 AMOT:
Here is what I predict. If Arlen Specter doesn't conform to the 'rule of law' within the WH on the illegal spying issue, you are going to see a smear campaign like you have never seen. They are already trying to connect him to funneling money for lobbyists. Should be interesting. I thought blackmail was illegal.
Posted by Judith at February 18, 2006 07:20 AMNo-one is listening. A computer looks for calls from known or suspected terrorists. After that it looks to match words ( silly stuff like "the target is..." "thousands will die" etc. ). From there a human reviews it. Since I don't take calls from terrorists I am not too worried. Thank God Bush doesn't have a spy program like Kennedy or LBJ where they listened to everything Martin Luther King and Marilyn Monroe did.
Posted by The Truth at February 18, 2006 07:25 AM"No-one is listening. A computer looks for calls from known or suspected terrorists. After that it looks to match words ( silly stuff like "the target is..." "thousands will die" etc. ). From there a human reviews it. Since I don't take calls from terrorists I am not too worried. Thank God Bush doesn't have a spy program like Kennedy or LBJ where they listened to everything Martin Luther King and Marilyn Monroe did."
The truth, you are so naive, God love ya.
Hoover, who welded more power than anyone in this Country during his rein, including Presidents, was the person spying into the private lives of people. We now know just how sick Hoover was, with all his cross-dressing and such.
Posted by Judith at February 18, 2006 07:36 AM"After that it looks to match words ( silly stuff like "the target is..." "thousands will die" etc. )."
The Truth, go back and read Daryls post. You obviously missed it.
Yeah, I am sure terrorists are saying things like "thousands will die" or "the target is..."
LOL
We now know just how sick Hoover was, with all his cross-dressing and such.
that's totally unfair. i didn't fight the nazis so you could insult my wardrobe.
Posted by ed wood at February 18, 2006 08:01 AMkris,
Considering that Osama is still free and our ports are not only insecure but about to be managed by middle eastern interests from countries with past ties to al qaeda with Bushco's appproval, yes I would blame this administration for lining the pockets of cronies and not protecting the nation.
Kris,
Aside from the fact that Bush has not given me a single reason to trust him (feel free to name some reasons why I should), the point is that we shouldn't be put into a position of our leaders asking us to blindly trust them. This is why we have the Constitution, this is why our system was designed with checks and balances. The administration is working hard at those checks and slowly removing them bit by bit under the guise of executive power during wartime (nevermind that this isn't a real "war").
Keep in mind that they are setting a dangerous precedent and the power in charge is not always going to be one that you ideologically believe in. Its really entertaining to see so-called conservatives shout about limiting government power when a Democrat is in office, then not only willing to give a blank check to Republicans but also buying into the nationalistic fervor that they give you in return.
Take your strawman argument and try it elswhere. That Cheney don't hunt here.
Posted by Simp at February 18, 2006 08:25 AMJudith, my terms were just an example. You are so naive.
Too easy to blame Hoover. Kennedy and Johnson were deep into that program.
Crossdressing! That would make him a hero and brokeback democrat for sure.
Since I don't take calls from terrorists I am not too worried.
But you did just type some key words in your post. But that was out of context? Do you think the comb-filter cares? By now carnivore or some facsimle has traced you to your IP and accumulated your personal data into a watch file, all done automaticaly. If you find yourself on the no-fly list next time you try to fly, I hope you will enjoy the delicious irony of all that. Sure, maybe a review by a human might clear you, but how long will that take?
You are a fool and a simpleton, or else you don't care that your IP will show up as one with the Heritage Foundation.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 18, 2006 08:46 AMSilly example. It is common to be treated for paranoia now, take advantage of it. At least I don't name call.
Posted by The Truth at February 18, 2006 08:51 AMGeorge Bush is the greatest traitor in the history of the United States...data mine that.
Posted by Greg at February 18, 2006 09:04 AMSince I don't take calls from terrorists I am not too worried. Thank God Bush doesn't have a spy program like Kennedy or LBJ where they listened to everything Martin Luther King and Marilyn Monroe did.
You seem mighty sure that he doesn't, given the mendacious secrecy and vigorous protests mounted by the assministration on any attempt at oversight.
What a naive, trusting soul.
You're an autocrat's dream, happy and willing to live under repression so long as you can look down on someone lower in the heirarchy than you.
Mike G.
It's called a useful idiot. It's what most of the GOP base is.
Christ, can we please have a moratorium on posting under the simpleton name of "Truth", or any possible variant thereof? This is the third or fourth "Truth" around here.
I'm sure you're quite righteous and all that, and really convinced of your arguments, but really, the banality of it is just too much.
A little imagination, please. Even Bush supporters can do it---just read a few pages of the Bible. Lots of unusual, interesting names in there.
Posted by euzoius at February 18, 2006 01:26 PMSilly example.
Why is it silly? I purposefully didn't post your quote because I assume that making those kind of statements can quite possibly garner me some unwanted attention. Paraniod? You betcha!
Unwarrented paranioa? Thats what I want to find out. But if you blindly trust the boy king, than you are a fool and a simpleton.
Full circle troll-boy.
Posted by SnarkyShark at February 18, 2006 02:54 PMAt least I don't name call.
I do.
Posted by phidipides at February 18, 2006 07:07 PM