Well, it certainly pissed me off when I learned about it days ago. Handing over port security to the people who financed the 9/11 terrorist attacks is typical for the Bushies. They don't care about security, only rewarding their buddies with cushy, cushy contracts.
Posted by Ga6thDem at February 19, 2006 04:36 PM
"I don't think now's the time to outsource major port security to a foreign country."
--GOP Senator Lindsey Graham to Fox News today
Ah, yes, Little Lord Lindsey is once more against something ... before he's for it.
Posted by at February 19, 2006 05:19 PMThis is not much of an issue. Security at these ports is provided by the Coast Guard and DHS (which, as we all realize, is a real problem). This is a Dubai based management company that will operate the port. It's not as if the port has been sold, or shipments will suddenly not be monitored.
It's a very negative case of prejudice, discrimination and stereotyping against a Dubai company, based on some of the 9/11 terrorists being from the area, and legal financial transfers had been made through the UAE banking system that were used for negative purposes.
It's tantamount to saying that no Oklahoma company can manage a port since Zacarias Moussaoui lived in Oklahoma and had a checking account there.
I find it stunning that people don't understand the culture of the UAE -nor the Middle East in general- and demonize these peoples that by and large support the United States.
Posted by phidipides at February 19, 2006 05:51 PMWhat exactly does it mean that a company "operates the ports"? I don't think any foreign company (even a British one, which it sounds like currently operates them) should be running our ports.
Posted by CG at February 19, 2006 06:17 PMSorry P-Dip, you can put whatever label you want on my concerns over this, but I'm not going to support any foreign management or supervision of our ports four years after 9/11, especially from a country that has its fingerprints on 9/11. If you want to call me prejudiced, discriminatory, or using stereotypes, that's your conclusion and problem, not mine.
Posted by Steve Soto at February 19, 2006 06:22 PMStv, Chrtff s nythng bt ‘hplss.’ t ws ths fl, lng wth th S ssst. D, Vt D. Dnh, tht fgrd t wy t pt n ppr wht lttl Bsh ndd t scr r prsnt ‘trrr’ pllg ftng t rplc r pst nt-cmmnst cld wr crprt gnd, (‘Ptrt ct‘). dd t ths tw lttl pnks th lks f tht W fl vr hr n Brkly nd nqstn Gnzls, nd w hv whl lt f ppl n hgh plcs tht dn’t vn msr p t th Stt psd- ’Chrstn’ plgy f d-t-yrslf rlgn.
My qstn s, Wh n th xctv Brnch s trgtd by n f th bv t nbl tkng th rgns f pwr? ddn’t vn dd Chny, Rmsfld, Bltn, shcrft, Wlfwtz, nd dn’t knw hw dp th wll f flth gs, (wh dd mss).
Hw dd w gt s mny crprt dts n pwr, frm vrs cts rnd th wrld? Thr ntl bgns wth ‘crprt vrlrds.‘ n thng fr crtn, cty ppl hv gs tht rch th hghts f thr fvrt bldng, nd tht wld b th tllst, f crs. Lk t ths gys, ch n s tryng t t mnvr th thr, th md, thr brcrtc ndrlngs, bt ltmtly thy r tryng t mprss thr crprt lrds. Pls rmmbr tht ll ths gys flly ndrstnd th lgl dcptns sd by th Sprm Crt t lgtmt th llgl mdrn lgl stts f th crprtn, (th crprt prsn stts nd th blty fr crps t by stck n thr crprtns tsd thr chrtr stt nd tsd th cntry). Thy wr lrdy tntd wth th stn f dcptn mntnnc th mmnt thy bght nt th cncpt tht ll lgl mnvrng tsd th sprt f th lw ws nt nly brllnt, bt th crrct mthd t prs slf-gn nd pwr.
Thrfr, sbmt tht w hv vdnc f trght crmnls n svrl lvls f nlyss. Lk t th thr WH rcrd: trtr, spyng, tc. sspct tht n f th bv mrdrs fls hs lrdy fgrd t hw t d n lttl Bsh th sm wy w prbbly dd nt rft. Wtht Bsh, w mght b n th sm bt s tht n srl ffcr tht cmmntd tht h msss Sddm! n th lght f nt knwng hs rq rplcmnt. Rmmbr tht ld syng, ‘b crfl wht y wsh fr, t mght cm tr.’ Hw ds t g?
hv cpl thr thghts, t, bt Mry gt m ll trd t tryng t fnd smthng clld, ‘ typpd ccnt?’ Cn y hlp? Ys, m ‘hplss,’ bt thn, ’m nbdy. Ths WH pnks r nythng bt hplss, hlplss, r stpd, bt thy ll lv n pt f vprs, nd thy lv th cmpny.
Well, perhaps nobody wanted to be accused of discriminating or racial profiling for the job. Maybe there is some Federal program for awarding contracts to minority owned businesses. Something like that.
Posted by muckdog at February 19, 2006 06:40 PMIf you want to call me prejudiced, discriminatory, or using stereotypes, that's your conclusion and problem, not mine.
I think you're being reactionary without thinking about the real issue. The United States provides port security, not the operator. The only thing that changes is the management. You would be better to focus your energies on the administrations general failure at protecting America. Otherwise, you might as well hang a sign up saying "Towelheads Not Welcome!"
So, a UAE management group just purchased a major hotel group in the United States. Think maybe they will pack a convention center and gas everyone?
Posted by phidipides at February 19, 2006 06:47 PMWell, perhaps nobody wanted to be accused of discriminating or racial profiling for the job. Maybe there is some Federal program for awarding contracts to minority owned businesses. Something like that.
Nope, sorry. No liberal "PC Conspiracy" for you on this one. Just a good old capitalistic company purchase that Bush approved.
Posted by ann at February 19, 2006 07:21 PMIt's a total bummer that globalization and post-9/11 political realities have caught BushCo in the middle. Those poor, poor guys.
Posted by dj moonbat at February 19, 2006 07:30 PMwhat, was Halliburton too busy to take this on?
Posted by leftAhead at February 19, 2006 07:32 PMI think it says more that the Bush administration finds no issue in having a Dubai state-owned company essentially managing our major ports. Does this seem like a decision that they would make if they had legitimate concerns about Islamist terrorism here?
So, at some level, there is either a financial interest or a quid pro quo involved between the Bushies and Dubai. And whatever this "incentive" is, it is far more significant than any legitimate, potential terrorist threat.
But, of course, I am of the belief that 9/11 and the al Qaeda threat were/are controlled by elements of Israeli, Saudi and U.S. intelligence.
Posted by DrewL Bucket at February 19, 2006 08:05 PMCall me a protectionist if you wish, but I consider it insane to allow forigners to control your ports.
Posted by herbal tee at February 19, 2006 08:11 PMBush is a threat to this nation's security.
If we're to take him at his word (the USA is a nation at war), then outsourcing security at 6 of our largest ports to the United Arab Emirites -- a nation with ties to radical, Islamic terrorism, then Bush is guilty of treason and belongs in a Federal prison.
Just saying...........
Posted by Christopher at February 19, 2006 08:18 PMAll the attention on Halliburton, though warranted, has taken the focus away from another international cartel which is even more secretive and more scary. Betcha a nice dinner that The Carlyle Group has a piece of this port business.
Posted by W Action at February 19, 2006 08:39 PMI agree with Christopher. Georgie keeps reminding us that we are at war everytime he needs an excuse for something illegal. Then he turns around and outsources our security. What the hell is going on? Someone should ask him the logic behind that one, but of course, no one will. I guess this is another "trust me, I know what I'm doing" moment.
Posted by Judith at February 19, 2006 08:40 PMMy paranoid fantasy is that these UAE guys in turbans walked into Treasury and said "We have too many dollars from all that oil everyone is buying, and we need to get something for them. Thinking of buying up some of your ports." And then Treasury says "Gosh, no can do. Everyone would get upset". So UAE says, "Well okay. The problem will fix itself anyway once we start selling oil for Euros on the Iranian Bourse. Sorry about your economy, though." And Treasury say "Whoa! How many port do you want?"
Posted by whomever1 at February 19, 2006 11:56 PMLt m fllw-p n my bv cmmnt, nw tht hd bt f rst. Th frgn cntrl f S prt mngmnt dds nthr lyr f hypcrsy pn th ntr ‘Hmlnd Scrty’ dcptn. Th bsc m f ths dcptn s t mntn th lvl f fr f r rhd gts, (vtrs). Th sst mthd s t jm p th vtrs t th rprts, whr gts cngrgt n ntcptn t vst nw shppng thrlls vr th hrzn. f crs, sb-gl s t prtct crprt prprty frm bng cntrlld by nthrzd prsnnl, ( mst xcllnt gl, t b crtn). Th bttm ln s tht gts fl ‘prtctd’ by th gvrnmnt tht thy’v bn flshly cndtnd t trst. Jst lk chld’s rdng tst, th gts fll n th blnks wth th ffclly crrct mnng t lgtmt vry frm f pblc hmltn tht thy mst ndr, ftr pyng t mch fr pln fr nywy.
Lk th bv prt lck f scrty dbcl, w hv thsnds f mls f nprtctd brdrs cnstntly crssd llglly by ny, sm f whch cld b ptntl schl bmbr. s ny brdr ptrl ffcr cn ttst, ’brdr ptrl’ s n pn jk. nd cn tll y frm prsnl xprnc tht bt 20% f th ppl tht crss llglly d s t vd dtctn f flny cnvctns f th mst srs srt.
Rmmbr lt f th 80’s whn h prdctd tht th xctv brnch wll sn wsl mthd t gt wy wth bqts dmstc spyng. Th crprtn ‘thnk’ tnks flly ndrstnd th prncpls f dsnstzng r scl mb: th vry frst stp s t dsrpt nd frgmnt ny smblnc f tr Chrstn ndrstndng, f th srts f Crmwll, Clvn, nd th rly Plgrms. vrythng thn slwly flls nt plc: bndnmnt f th fmly; dvrc; dstrctn f dctn; bt th ltmt gl f r dth hds t Crp HQ s t chv scl ccptnc f kllng r chldrn bfr ths mst vlnrbl f r scty r vn brn.
W kll r nbrn jst s w kll r chldrn n mlttd f pllg ctns tht mk th ncnt Vkngs pl by cmprsn. Trtr? S wht?…w kll r chldrn. Pvrty csd by crprt plcs? S wht, w nt nly kll r chldrn, bt snd r dlt chldrn t nt nly d, bt slwly cmmt scd tryng t dl wth th cgntv dssnnc. cld g fr lngr.
ll f th bv hs t d wth th tpc bt frgnrs mngng S prts d t th pprnt hypcrsy s cntrstd wth sttd gls f r Hmlnd Scrty. W mst ncvr hypcrsy whrvr t cncls tslf. nd w mst lk frst n th mrrr. Wht d y vl? Sclly ccptd mnstrm ds s nrml? Thn hw cn w vr fnd trth? W mst frst trg r nnr cnflcts, hl th prfsly bldy prts frst, thn mv t th nxt wnd. Prhps thn w wll pssbly bcm ntllgnt gts.
"but the ultimate goal of our death heads at Corp HQ is to achieve social acceptance of killing our children before these most vulnerable of our society are even born."
Scout, I bet you are against stem cell research also, right? It may come as a surprise, but not every women views the social acceptance of abortion as "killing children" until a fetus is viable. At that point-in-time, many hurdles have to be cleared before that is even acceptable by a physician and society. Whether socially engineered or not makes no difference. Women have been terminating pregancies for centuries, and nothing will ever stop any woman from doing what she wants with HER BODY.
Judith, the ‘her body’ argument is not. This is the exact method used by overt slavers for centuries. Of course, the fetus, no matter what age, is not anyone’s slave, but a human.
Throughout 13,000 years of history, across cultures, women have always sacrificed themselves for their child. This is true of fathers sacrificing themselves carrying the image of their family to real wars to counter opposing conquest. Women, normal women, sacrifice not only their bodies, and time, but often, their very lives for their children. Men, normal men, sacrifice their lives for their families. Under these circumstances, men died out faster than women during child birth. Incredibly, our modern women now choose themselves over their children, born and unborn. The ‘me’ generation takes on its reality structure of taboo.
Your argument is one originally presented by the now discredited Bolshevik family system. They considered the family a ‘cult.’ How low can any man-made idea go? Well, kill a child. Also, stem cell research is a cover for modern cannibalism. Completely self-gain, as usual; self gain built upon our love of death for 'self advancement.'
Don’t we hate pedophiles/homosexuals? But we love abortion. Don’t we hate South American head hunters and Borneo cannibals? Yet we want to use the dead carcass of our babies to prolong our miserable existence in this reality. Did you want me to tell you what you want to hear?
Finally, I am no different than you. During the 70’s I fell into mainstream thinking that promoted abortion because ‘we didn’t have enough food.’ Remember that argument? My evil is no different than others; all of us were born that way. Damn it, anyway. I always look into the mirror, first, then I rake the muck. That is why true teachers exist. Don’t believe a word I write; all of us must search our souls while embracing the understanding of our basic evil nature. Maybe I die a smart goat; there is always hope that I am a sheep. If so, I don’t deserve it.
Jdth, th ‘hr bdy’ rgmnt s nt. Ths s th xct mthd sd by vrt slvrs fr cntrs. f crs, th fts, n mttr wht g, s nt nyn’s slv, bt hmn.
Thrght 13,000 yrs f hstry, crss cltrs, wmn hv lwys scrfcd thmslvs fr thr chld. Ths s tr f fthrs scrfcng thmslvs crryng th mg f thr fmly t rl wrs t cntr ppsng cnqst. Wmn, nrml wmn, scrfc nt nly thr bds, nd tm, bt ftn, thr vry lvs fr thr chldrn. Mn, nrml mn, scrfc thr lvs fr thr fmls. ndr ths crcmstncs, mn dd t fstr thn wmn drng chld brth. ncrdbly, r mdrn wmn nw chs thmslvs vr thr chldrn, brn nd nbrn. Th ‘m’ gnrtn tks n ts rlty strctr f tb.
Yr rgmnt s n rgnlly prsntd by th nw dscrdtd Blshvk fmly systm. Thy cnsdrd th fmly ‘clt.’ Hw lw cn ny mn-md d g? Wll, kll chld. ls, stm cll rsrch s cvr fr mdrn cnnblsm. Cmpltly slf-gn, s sl; slf gn blt pn r lv f dth fr 'slf dvncmnt.'
Dn’t w ht pdphls/hmsxls? Bt w lv brtn. Dn’t w ht Sth mrcn hd hntrs nd Brn cnnbls? Yt w wnt t s th dd crcss f r bbs t prlng r msrbl xstnc n ths rlty. Dd y wnt m t tll y wht y wnt t hr?
Fnlly, m n dffrnt thn y. Drng th 70’s fll nt mnstrm thnkng tht prmtd brtn bcs ‘w ddn’t hv ngh fd.’ Rmmbr tht rgmnt? My vl s n dffrnt thn thrs; ll f s wr brn tht wy. Dmn t, nywy. lwys lk nt th mrrr, frst, thn rk th mck. Tht s why tr tchrs xst. Dn’t blv wrd wrt; ll f s mst srch r sls whl mbrcng th ndrstndng f r bsc vl ntr. Myb d smrt gt; thr s lwys hp tht m shp. f s, dn’t dsrv t.
But we love abortion.
No one "loves" abortion, scout. However, some of us recognize that there are circumstances where a woman decides to terminate a pregnancy and having access to safe and legal abortion is better than the alternative of the back alley abortion or the self-induced abortion.
Posted by ann at February 20, 2006 09:55 AMthe dubai company is a government-controlled company. dubai government counter-terrorism efforts are for shit. it stinks to me.
Posted by benjoya at February 20, 2006 10:21 AMsounds like yet another example of selling out countries assets to others for a price
treason
sounds like yet another example of selling out countries assets to others for a price
Well, since our money is becoming worthless, we'll have to sell our infrastructure to keep Bush's House 'o Debt rolling.
Posted by ann at February 20, 2006 11:14 AMScout:
This thread is about the transfer of control of US ports to a Dubai company, NOT about your religiously-motivated opinions regarding abortion. Go and post on Human Life International or some other site where your views would be accepted.
Posted by tempus at February 20, 2006 11:17 AMnn, th ‘bck lly’ rgmnt prsppss tht brtn s mrlly crrct. Sch bck lly ‘mthrs’ f nfntcd sccssflly cltvtd flsh fmnst rgmnts f slfsh gn n th fc f nrtrng dvlpng hmn. Pls cnsdr tht sch ‘fmnsts’ ntns f slf gn wr frst pstltd by mmtr mls skng t scr hghr rt f sxl ctvty wtht th rsk f slld cnscsnss n trms f bng wr f fthrng chld frm xtr-mrtl sx. Th fmnst brtn rgmnt, n ssnc, cntns mmtr ml dmnnc n tht th vry tl f fmly, th mrrg bd, s frgmntd. Ths llws th mmrl ml t cntn hs sxl rg t cnqr ‘nw’ fmls. Mltpl sx prtnrs, dvrc, tc. ‘bnfts’ th Csnv mmtr mls. Bt gss ths s t bstrct fr th lks f hmn trsh sch s Glr Stnm, tc. Sh, nd hr lk, fll n th ml trp tht dvlvd nt r gd f th crprtn.
Tmp, ntcptd yr pnt nd ncldd sntnc n n rlr pst jstfyng my cntr sng brtn mng thr xmpls. My pnt s tht cntrdctns n plcy r rprssd by rhd vtrs d t th frgmnttn f nc frly sld scl nstttns. Wtht sld stndrds f scl msrmnt, chs rgns. Chs xprsss tslf n myrd f scl cntrdctns tht r rtnly gnrd t sch dgr tht mmrlty bcms mnstrm thght. Thrfr, m ttckng th prblm f scl chs t ts src: r nnt vl ntr. n f my xmpls ws th mdrn ccptnc f brtn. n fw shrt cncs sttmnts, pntd t qt fw fcts nt nly bt th psychlgy f brtn, bt hw brtn ttchs tslf t ml dmnnc tslf. nd frm f ml dmnnc tht hrbrs th dntcl vl w s tdy n th Wht Hs: th vl f bslt pwr. Whn ll s bld wy, th bsc rsd f th typcl mmtr ml s hs dck. Ths chldrn fl t mtr, vr.
n ntrstng sd t th bv s tht th sm ml dmnnc tht spwnd fmnsm, ls hs spwnd n ntr gnrtn f fthrlss ml chldrn. ndd, ‘fthrs’ tdy try t fthr thr dghtrs, nt thr gntclly dsbld ml chldrn. s ny prnt nd qlfd tchr cn ttst, fmls, vn by th sxth grd, r fr dvncd n vry wy t mls. Thr’s bk hr, ln. Bt fr nw, w r tchng pn nthr lyr f th slf-dstrctn f th fmly. n, xmpl: vn 20 yrs g n n wld mgnd yng by blwng p tchrs, stdnts, tc. t schl. Ths s drct rslt f r fthrlss gnrtn f bys. vry mtr ml wld ttst tht th nly rd t ml mtrty s lvng, Gd frng, bt tgh dscpln. cn gv prsnl tstmny tht drng my tm wrkng n prsns, t lst 90% f vlnt crmnls wr rsd wtht fthrs, tc.
ls, Tmps, thr r n fndmntl scl dffrncs btwn vrs ppndgs f ‘pr-lf,’ ‘chrchrs,’ nd th tsd cltr tdy. Ths s s bcs th mnstrm thnkng f r mdrn r bsltly mbrcs prd whl rprssng r nnt drv twrd vl. Whl ths s lwys bn tr n th pst, t hs nvr bn mr tr thn th prsnt. Thrfr, w hv nw chv ‘glblztn’ f vl: rslvs n trms f ttl dnl f r vl ntr. Ths, w nt n dstnctn btwn brtn mrdrrs nd pr-lfrs; r, Dmcrt nd Rpblcns. trst tht y ddn’t smply wnt m t tll y wht y wnt t hr? Rmmbr, w cn nt trst nt nly r flngs, bt r vry thghts. nd, f crs, dn't trst m...d th rsrch. lwys strt wth myslf.
Pls prdn my ccdntl dbl pst.
the ‘back ally’ argument presupposes that abortion is morally correct.
Not at all. It presuppose correctly that women will continue to seek abortions regardless of whether they are leagl or not. Morals belong to the individual. My personal beliefs or choices do not infringe upon yours. However, your attempt to preach what is in your opinion "morally correct" places you in a position of intolerance.
I'm with tempus, though, please take the abortion debate somewhere that it will be appreciated. I doubt you're going to change any minds here.
Posted by ann at February 20, 2006 01:28 PMScout: I am in no way attempting to denigrate what you are trying to convey. However, your religious beliefs, strong as they may be, are yours, and must be kept to yourself. As far as 'evil' permeating the world today, I would suggest you take a serious, unbiased look at what role religion plays in the multitude of wars in the world.
If you have any head for arithmetic, you will find that almost all wars are a result of religious conflict. I sure the Lord (if there is one) is most surely pissed off at this turn of events, along with the inane attempts of humans to discern what he/she really intends for all of us. As Ann and I have mentioned, please take your religious baggage to another site
nn, sspct tht y r bldng pn my cs f r nntly vl hmn ntr. s y crrctly pntd t, wmn wll cntn t sk brtns rgrdlss f lglty. Y stt th cs fr th scl ccptnc f prmdttd mrdr f bbs by pntng t tht th mnstrm thnkng pn th sbjct f nfntcd hs cmntd tslf n th mnds f th msss s ccptbl. ndd, y ls crrctly pnt t tht mrlty s wht s rght n th ys f th ndvdl. Ths s r prsnt dlmm: scl chs. nd sch chs tht ws crtd by r Blshvk rtrs f th lk f Lnn nd Trtsky.
Thr s bsltly n dstnctn btwn th bv vws pn nbrn nfntcd nd th t-f-th-clst plcy f trtr, whch hs bn prvlnt snc WW, (Stln nd th Nzs wr r tchrs). ls, r vry cntrl bnk plcs tht pry pn th pr f th wrld fnd cnsdrbl lgtmtn n th mdrn brtn plcy. cld g n mch lngr. Hwvr, lt m shw y hw bzrr t cn bcm by pntng t th whr, Mdln lbrght‘s, ttl ccptnc f th mr thn hlf mlln rq bbs tht dd d t hr mrdrsly stffnck: "Whn skd n S tlvsn f sh [Mdln lbrght, S Scrtry f Stt] thght tht th dth f hlf mlln rq chldrn [frm snctns n rq] ws prc wrth pyng, lbrght rpld: "Ths s vry hrd chc, bt w thnk th prc s wrth t."
Ths s my crtcl pnt: whn vl s fght, t ds ndd g ndrgrnd. Whn vl wns pblc pprvl, w gt pblc ccptnc by r whrsh nd whrmngrs ldrs, bcs thr tr mrdrs sntmnts r fnlly llwd fr xprssn. ll f th bv cnnct t r crrnt WH cbl ldrs; nd pst dmcrtc WH cbl nd Hll ’fft ldrshp. Th ldrs w hv rflct r vry gt-lk rhd vtrs. W lv r gds, d wht s rght n r wn ys, nd xpct vryn ls t tlrt mss mrdrrs n vry lvl tht thy r fnd crss cltrs.
Ths, w hv r wrld pllgs, bth vrt nd cvrt, whr lvs r rtnly dstryd, whl w blthly lv nd wrk wthn r srrl vrydy rlty. W rprss r knwldg f wrldly dstrctn jst s w rprss r knwldg f nbrn nfntcd. Thn, whn n rss th qstn hw s t tht w cn jstfy th dstrctn f r nbrn, r ppl rnd th wrld, spps th crs ‘ntlrnt’ trm s plyd. Wht s th rspns t th chrg f ‘bgt?’ GLTY…bcs mst dfntly fr Gd.
ls, th mnstrm rlgn s ‘sclr hmnsm.’ Sclr hmnsm drws ts spprt frm jst bt vry frm f rblln mgnbl: lvrs f vltn phlsphy, hmn rghts t dstry, sxl prvrsn, nd lvrs f crm, jst t nm fw. Th bjct f wrshp fr ths hmnsts s…mnknd. nd hr w rrv whr w strtd, th phlsphy f cltrl rltvty tht stts trth s bng n th ys f th bhldr. Lvrs f chs. spps tht th nly rsn w hv lttl dbts btwn pltcl prty sss s smply mld cmplnng, r mt-grmbls. Ths s s bcs, s w’v ntd, rhds lv chs nd vmt, rgrdlss f pltcl prty. Wht ls s nw? Fnlly, nn f th bv s prsnl; nn f s, ncldng myslf, s nywhr nr clnr thn th flthst rg.
Thnks s mch fr th dscssn; rlly hvn’t thght bt sm f ths stff n yrs.
Scout: your last comment was so illogical, not to mention stupid, that I have not choice but to give your the following advice:
STFU, and I truly mean it. Secondly, read the 'Gospel of Thomas' or the 'Gospel of Mary' if you really want to know what Jesus had to say. Both will disturb you, but then the truth often does.
Posted by tempus at February 21, 2006 10:54 AMScout: Secondly, with your apparent care for humanity, I would assume that you oppose the Iraq war. Or is that to logical an assumption to make. Perhaps the 'unborn' are worth more than the life of an 18-year old Marine, serving his country.
Posted by tempus at February 21, 2006 11:04 AMtempus speaks BS
tempus states:
If you have any head for arithmetic, you will find that almost all wars are a result of religious conflict.
Tempus, was World War II faught because of religious conflict, was World War I, was the American Civil War, was the American Revolutionary war, was the Vietnam war, was the Spanish-American War, was the Korean war? Nope...
Well, lets do the arithmetic.... More people died in WWII and WWI than died in the American Civil war, more people died in the civil war than in the revolutionary war... So how many people exactly died in wars caused by religion? I bet you are embarassed now, eh?
Remember that the Soviet Union killed more than the Germans, and it was not because of religion. Take your religion hatred somewhere else brother...
Michael U
Posted by Michael U at February 21, 2006 06:47 PMtempus speaks BS
tempus states:
If you have any head for arithmetic, you will find that almost all wars are a result of religious conflict.
Tempus, was World War II faught because of religious conflict, was World War I, was the American Civil War, was the American Revolutionary war, was the Vietnam war, was the Spanish-American War, was the Korean war? Nope...
Well, lets do the arithmetic.... More people died in WWII and WWI than died in the American Civil war, more people died in the civil war than in the revolutionary war... So how many people exactly died in wars caused by religion? I bet you are embarassed now, eh?
Remember that the Soviet Union killed more than the Germans, and it was not because of religion. Take your religion hatred somewhere else brother...
Michael U
Posted by at February 21, 2006 06:48 PM