I don't have a caption, only a reaction: I can not throw up enough.
Posted by James E. Powell at March 3, 2006 11:55 PMIf that was Clinton caught in a picture like that, he'd be getting tons of shit from the media.
Posted by dole4pineapple at March 4, 2006 12:04 AM"I'm glad I took off that "kick me" sign before we got off my airplane."
Posted by silly at March 4, 2006 12:11 AMBush: "I'd sure like to get me some of that Empress of All of the Mideast stuff after the party is over tonight"
Condi: "I'm so pretty, so pretty....". "Will Georgie come visit me for a nightcap again tonight".
Posted by JimPortlandOR at March 4, 2006 12:47 AMSure, his eye is following Condi.
But look again. There's something sort of empty about his look.
Posted by Craig at March 4, 2006 12:49 AMWhere's Waura?
Posted by vicki at March 4, 2006 02:10 AM"I'm so proud of my FINE African princess."
Posted by Sharon at March 4, 2006 03:37 AMNobody could have anticipated the lack of a teepee.
Posted by Michael Miller at March 4, 2006 04:09 AMI second Sharon. And maybe adding, "he wants some".
Posted by Marisacat at March 4, 2006 04:10 AMHe looks so proud of his "other wife".
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 04:13 AMWTF. Have I ever told you how much I hate this State? These people are out of their fucking minds. You bet we didn't know about this bill.
State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion
Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name Christianity the state's official "majority" religion. House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature. Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday.
Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other watch-groups, began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution.
The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not protect minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their religious beliefs.
The resolution also recognizes that, "a greater power exists," and only Christianity receives what the resolution calls, "justified recognition."
State representative David Sater of Cassville in southwestern Missouri, sponsored the resolution, but he has refused to talk about it on camera or over the phone.
KMOV also contacted Gov. Matt Blunt's office to see where he stands on the resolution, but he has yet to respond.
If anyone is interested in finding out if they are being spied on, go to the site below. Provided by HuffingtonPost.com.
http://www.foiarequest.org/
The post above was also from HuffingtonPost.com.
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 05:14 AMJudith, more Rove ee-lek-shunn strategy?
Posted by TIKI AL at March 4, 2006 05:16 AM"there goes my baby,
walking on down the line
wondering when we'll be bound..."
Flying in a leer jet is fun
Posted by Barry at March 4, 2006 05:58 AMPakistan overnight green zone prayer
Now I lay me down to sleep,
Lies I've told cause me to weep.
Never bothered me before,
Zat Bin Laden at my door?
Under the bed, shak'in hard,
Wish I HAD been in the Guard!
Bomb is tossed into the room,
Puddle of pee, then KA-BOOM.
Notice the grim faces of the guards...very telling as Chimpy leers at Condi's ass.
Notice the smirking, as if he's repressing outright laughter.
Posted by boilerman10 at March 4, 2006 06:14 AMState bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion
And that would be.....unconstitutional as hell.
Posted by ann at March 4, 2006 06:26 AM(Hah, goosed her good... no one will notice, they never do... got to admire those fancy Indian guards though, man you'd think they're statues... can't wait till she lets me do that again....)
c/o Needlenose
"Can't wait to tap me some of that."
But Sharon's was spot on!
Along with everything the posters above have mentioned being true, those bizarre moushashed men in the background make this picture look a little like a very twisted takeoff version of the Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Band album cover.
Posted by herbal tee at March 4, 2006 07:04 AMDid Condi steal my Wild Turkey?
Posted by dj moonbat at March 4, 2006 07:06 AMYes, I agree with a poster above about the empty look. His eye is following Rice, but he's really just scared in general. He's checking out whether their act is "flying" in his mind and he's not so sure. Asshole. A year from now our country is going to be 10 times worse off than now as we watch the actions this thug has put into play, continue to ripen. We all have to wake up and start speaking, calling and writing even more.
Posted by suzanne at March 4, 2006 07:10 AM"Oh Condi you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind, hey Condi, Hey condi! (sung to the tune and lyrics of the song Mickey).
I agree with others, Sharon's was spot on!
When Bush was in India, our Chimp-in-Chief declared:
“I believe that a prosperous, democratic Pakistan will be a steadfast partner for America, a peaceful neighbor for India and a force for freedom and moderation in the Arab world.”
What an idiot!!! WHAT A COMPLETE MORON, A BUFFOONISH EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR COUNTRY.
Posted by Herman at March 4, 2006 07:11 AMGeorge: "I hope no one notices that she's wearing a bedcurtain. Hehhehheh."
Condi: "Damn him! He promised me a mink this trip! He lied, I mean, misspoke, again!"
Posted by iamcoyote at March 4, 2006 07:17 AMDick shoots people in the face . . . she likes to be shot in the face . . . humm, maybe Karl's right - time to fuck over Big Time.
Posted by semiot at March 4, 2006 07:28 AM"Girl, Please. I would look much better in that wrap then you. My soft, round shoulders are made for such a garmet."
Posted by Christopher at March 4, 2006 07:31 AMCondi: I order you to give me your ass!
Posted by tempus at March 4, 2006 08:02 AMew, ew, ew
To think of a caption leads to thinking of the action following the words. I was on a slight upswing this morning. Now I feel like I need to pour sulfuric acid in my eyes - must-get-rid-of-that-visual.
ew, ew, ew
You know, these bastards do not "believe" in birth control. Guess where this means they follow through on the words of the captions.
ew, ew, ew
Posted by Anjha at March 4, 2006 08:23 AM"She's hotter than my momma"
Posted by anaughtymouse at March 4, 2006 09:10 AMAnother brilliant budget plan from Bushie. Some highlights:
President Bush's budget would increase the federal deficit by $35 billion this year and by more than $1.2 trillion over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office reported on Friday.
...Mr. Bush's tax-cutting proposals would cost about $1.7 trillion over the next 10 years and that his proposals to partly privatize Social Security would cost about $312 billion during that period.
Senate Republicans, nervous about their prospects in this fall's midterm elections, are balking at Mr. Bush's proposal to trim $36 billion over five years from Medicare, the government health program for the elderly.
...the budget office noted that it had not included money for military costs in Iraq and Afghanistan after this year. The Bush administration has asked for a total of $92 billion in supplemental spending this year for those efforts.
Mr. Bush's 2007 budget would cut $2.1 billion next year from education, which had been one of the president's areas for increased spending. It would also cut money for community development block grants, low-income housing, child-support enforcement against deadbeat fathers and scores of other programs with support in Congress.
Sweet Jesus, could someone take away Bushie's Visa and send him to credit counseling?
Posted by ann at March 4, 2006 09:24 AM"Damn yeast infection anyway!"
Posted by redstater at March 4, 2006 09:33 AM"Condi, I need to pee! I don't think I can hold much longer."
Posted by Christopher at March 4, 2006 09:33 AM"Condi, I need to pee! I don't think I can hold it much longer."
Posted by Christopher at March 4, 2006 09:34 AMAnn, Bush has failed in every single business prospect he has ever been involved in.
He could not even find oil when he drilled for it in oil fields.
His greatest achievement is miserable failure. (I think that would be a good epitaph, would it not?)
However, there is some more good news. Although it may not go anywhere, MSM might just pick it up.
I learned about this at a forum a few weeks ago on the SPAN. A state legislature can vote for articles of impeachment. They still have to be introduced in the House, but it has been done!
Vermont. Sweet maple syrup and balls of steel (new State slogan?)
Let's hope the MSM whores pick it up and carry it on.
Posted by Anjha at March 4, 2006 09:38 AMMore good captions and comments about this photo at Dependable Renegade, too. (Look under March 02..)
Posted by dus7 at March 4, 2006 09:58 AMAnn, you are so right. What friggin amazes me is that our State Legislators would even go there. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the article. Blunt has to go. This is the State that gave you Asscroft and now Blunt. I am telling you all, the moment Blunt runs for anything other than Governor of this State, start the campaign against him.
This may be old news to all of you who are so much more up to date on everything than me.
However, this is important.
Here is a concientious objector. A soldier who served his Country and who can no longer support the immorality of this preznit's evil.
Now he is in the brig and has been convicted. Convicted for serving his conscience to not murder - yet it is now perfectly legal for a pharmacist to deny women birth control if it serves their conscience. What a bunch of hypocritical BS this all is.
Check him out. This is sad. This is the truth of king george and his followers.
Posted by Anjha at March 4, 2006 10:01 AMLadies and Gentlemen, please bow in respect for:
The most honorable and respected United State's King, George I, and his beautiful Queen, Condoleeza.
Long live the King and Queen of the United States!
Long live their Imperial Rule.
Posted by brians3 at March 4, 2006 11:14 AM
Anjha:
I won't comment on the conscientious objector status, as all services are volunteer at the moment. However, for a pharmacist to have anything to do with the decision regarding abortion or birth control is ludicrous.
That is a decision made by a) a woman b) a pregnant woman, c) the family, d) the family doctor. In addition, understand this, all of you; it is the woman who is in charge. No one else. No one takes precedence, not even your religion.
Mike Malloy nailed it last night on AirAmerica:
"Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings"
(The only difference is that Jefferson had brains)
Posted by DOT at March 4, 2006 11:25 AM"Sugar, we're going down."
Posted by God Of War at March 4, 2006 11:59 AM"Oh, yeah, bring that on! hehheh....but as the Good Book says 'Do Not Goeth There', or sumpthin' like that....seriously, she's got the finest ass of any Amur'can Secretary of State in HISTORY! And that's just a part of my legacy....damn lib'ruls can't take that away fom me!
God, I hope this here Indian food ain't too spicy....man, last time I ate Indian was at the Bombay Palace in Texarkana---and it was spicy! Too spicy, I say.....funny, how that is, 'cause I sure like chili, even spicy style. Hey, maybe they got some chili....I bet Condi can sweet talk 'em into getting some for me....I signed that nukuleer thing and all, made 'em happy."
Posted by euzoius at March 4, 2006 12:13 PMHere's what happends when you cross Bush:
No Iraq Trip for Legislator Who Opposed Deal on Ports.
Seems Mr. Peter T King's trip to Iraq, along with 2 Democrats and 4 other Republicans, has been cancelled due to the lack of an aircraft to take them. Perhaps those who oppose this Administration and get punished, should start telling anyone and everyone what happens when you disagree with Bush.
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 12:19 PM
"I love 'em all. Even the little brown ones."
Posted by Dan at March 4, 2006 12:31 PMRemember when you had a right to wear or sell any T-shirt you wanted? Well, it seems that Homeland Security has decided you do not have that right any longer. By-the-way, Mr. Barisich is fighting the $75.00 ticket that he was issued for exercising a freedom he thought he still had.
Many parade floats in New Orleans' Mardi Gras were decorated in themes that skewered the relief agency.
George Barisich, president of the United Commercial Fisherman's Association, has been selling anti-FEMA T-shirts since last fall, a reflection of his frustration with the federal government's response to the storm that left him homeless and unemployed.
But on Feb. 1, when he handed a shirt to a fellow Katrina victim as he was picking up canned goods at a charity's relief tent, Barisich found himself in trouble with the government.
He was cited by a group of Homeland Security officials for selling a T-shirt on federal property - in this case, near a FEMA center in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart in Chalmette, La.
Barisich, 49, says he didn't sell the shirt, which said: "Flooded by Katrina! Forgotten by FEMA! What's Next, Mr. Bush?" He says he gave it away.
The government is sticking to its guns. "If we ignored this violation, you could have potentially 20 to 30 people standing out in front of the (FEMA) center, obstructing things," says Dean Boyd, a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) spokesman. "We've got a duty and a job under the law."
Well Mr. Boyd, it is not your "duty" to determine whether or not someone can wear a T-shirt expressing criticism.
Tempus, precisely my point. Thing is the Bu$hCo admin has been blocking access to birth control since they took office.
Here are some interesting facts:
Back Up Your Birth Control is a campaign to help make emergency contraception (EC or the "morning-after" pill) more effective by making sure women know about it - and can get it in time.
This year's Back Up Your Birth Control Day of Activism will take place on Tuesday, March 21. This March, NARAL Pro-Choice Washington and over one hundred other Back Up Your Birth Control Day co-sponsors will participate in a variety of activities from grassroots organizing events to public education campaigns to policy initiatives.
YOU can be part of this nationwide effort. How?
Over the course of the next month you will receive Back Up Your Birth Control Action Alerts from us. Here's a sneak peak of what to expect:
March 7 - Thank our Senators, Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell, for supporting women's access to EC.
March 15 - Did you know that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has refused to issue a decision on whether women can have over-the-counter access to EC? Learn more about this issue and TAKE ACTION.
March 22 - Does YOUR local pharmacist dispense EC? We'll provide guidelines on how to find out and what to do about it if s/he doesn't.
But first, how much do YOU know about emergency contraception? Take our quiz...
Questions (Answers at the bottom):
1: Is EC the same thing as the "morning-after" pill?
2: When should EC be taken after unprotected sex?
3: What is the time frame in which EC is most effective?
4: True or False: EC pills are just a high does of the same hormones found in regular birth control pills.
5: If a woman is already pregnant and she takes EC by mistake what will happen?
6: How does EC work?
7: True or False: EC is the same as RU-486 commonly known as the Abortion Pill.
8: When would you use EC?
9: Why should EC be used?
10: True or False, EC causes a "Chemical Abortion"
Answers:
1: Yes, some people call EC the morning-after pill. But morning after is a misnomer because EC is effective up to 72 hours.
2: As soon as possible.
3: Within the first 12-24 hours it is up to 98% effective. EC is 75-89% effective within the first 72 hours, new research has shown EC to be effective up to 120 hours.
4: True (progestin and estrogen)
5: EC does not work if a woman is already pregnant. Research shows it is not harmful to a fetus, therefore nothing will happen.
6: Three possible ways: prevents ovulation, prevents fertilization of the egg, prevents fertilized egg from implanting into the uterus.
7: False, RU 486 causes an early abortion, EC prevents pregnancy.
8: When a condom breaks, after a sexual assault, or any time unprotected sex takes place.
9: EC should only be used as a "back-up" plan, to prevent unintended pregnancy.
10: False, EC is not an abortion pill and will not harm a developing fetus. EC is only a method of contraception, it prevents pregnancy.
The Christian Right has completely fogged this whole debate by claiming that EC is abortion. It is not! However it is still blocked by the FDA due to pressure from the top.
Bottom line: they do not want women to have access to birth control.
You can go here to find out more about how this admin has blocked access to family planning.
They want all women subject to no choice in life because they are locked up pregnant and taking care of babies.
Posted by Anjha at March 4, 2006 12:39 PMHe was cited by a group of Homeland Security officials for selling a T-shirt on federal property - in this case, near a FEMA center in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart in Chalmette, La.
Outrage meter has now gone through the ROOF!!!! I may need to stop reading blogs for a bit and give my blood pressure a break.
Seriously, Judith, where did you see this? I want to send it to my Republican-voting brother.
Posted by ann at March 4, 2006 12:40 PMAnn, sorry that I forgot to post the link. Here it is:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/femacriticsshirtgetshimtangledupinticket
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 12:56 PMYeah Ann, between Domino's Christian City being built in Florida, the Missouri bill to make Christianity the State Religion, and now the T-shirt fiasco, I am thinking about asking my doctor for some heavy duty drugs.
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 01:00 PMHere is where you can go to find out if the pharmacy that you frequent does not have EC available: search
This is an important cause. WA State (Murray and Inslee) have been very active in leading the fight to have the FDA stop the block on making it OTC.
A lot of people do not know what this admin is doing by appointing people to the FDA who will block access to family planning.
Just one more important fight today.
However, I am done. I am going to go out into my yard and spread dirt around because I desperately need therapy. Flower beds are the best therapy available - today.
Posted by Anjha at March 4, 2006 01:02 PMNot to add to the outrage meter, but what the heck:
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060222074809990044
Burnell, a 30-year-old financial adviser and founder of Christian Exodus, believes thousands of religious conservatives across the USA agree with him when he says their influence on government is diluted by liberals and Republicans who have failed to do what mainstream Americans elected them to do.
With a decisive majority, Burnell says, his group would be able to pass laws that line up with their biblical principles and their interpretation of the U.S. Constitution - laws that include outlawing abortion and homosexual relations, allowing governmental displays of Christian symbols and ending state-funded education.
And now, I simply must go buy a home defibrillator.
Posted by ann at March 4, 2006 01:11 PM"Flower beds are the best therapy available - today."
Anjha, that is exactly what I do also. Putting my hands in dirt for the day leaves me fulfilled at the end of the day.
This is way off topic, but it seems to me that each and everyone of us has one right-wing wacko in the family.
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 01:20 PMI wonder what Laura's thinking.
Posted by Hank at March 4, 2006 01:20 PMBoycott Domino's Pizza (it's crappy anyway). Maybe liberals should start building their own cities for liberals only.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/ap_on_re_us/catholic_town;_ylt=AuCmw3HHXgZkYaMwSzYoUAOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 01:24 PMStv, wht’s p wth th ngtv ntr t Rc? wld nd hv rgd ftn gnst mst f Rc’s thght rtnls, bt wld nvr sy tht sh lks lss thn btfl, vn f sh wsn’t. Bt lk t ths ldy. Sh s ndd btfl. Why ll th htfl nnnds bt hr dy n th cmrs? Fr m, ll wmn r thr prncsss r btfl qns whn thy wnt t b. gn, wld y lk t tht pctr…sh smply lks grt. Nw s th tm fr trc; sh s, ftr ll, n mrcn. Whn th prty s vr, thn w cn rg pltcs, sclgy, psychlgy nd rlgn wth hr nd vryn ls n th WH rgm.
Crp, vryn htd Nncy Rgn ntl sh rgnzd hr prts; fstvts qls trc. sggst t chck wth th wf whn n dbt n sch thngs; mst wmn r frly gd jdgs f whn th nspkn bt ppntd tms r rp fr trcs.
ls, wh’s th wht gk ppng t hr? t’s nt Bsh.
But look at this lady. She is indeed beautiful.
Personally, I think she needs some orthodontic work.
Posted by ann at March 4, 2006 01:52 PMShorter Scout:
Oh, goodie, it a party!! We can gossip about it afterwards!
(Reminds me of a really boring Xmas party for employees when I worked at Jacobson's - a high falutin' shop that eventually went bankrupt. Back at work on Monday, all anyone talked about was what everyone wore, not the food, conversation, nothin' but the clothing.)
For me, all women are either princesses or beautiful queens when they want to be.
Guys clean up pretty well for the most part too when they put some effort into it.
Posted by Sharon at March 4, 2006 02:22 PMFor me, all women are either princesses or beautiful queens when they want to be.
"...when they want to be." I think scount meant when the "act like ladies" and don't want to be successful in the workplace or have an abortion. He seems to prefer women barefoot and pregnant. And if they can be decorative, all the better. Condi looks lovely and defers to Bush, so she gets a pass for having a job, but since she's possibly a lesbian (or having an affair with Bush) I would think he might be more judgemental.
Posted by ann at March 4, 2006 02:34 PM"God, I bet she's as tight as Jeff was!"
Posted by bbtb at March 4, 2006 02:36 PMHaving driven thru Missouri several times, I feel I have the God-given right to declare it an AGNOSTIC STATE. All bibles must be turned in by sundown. Violators will be subject to mandatory lion mastication.
bb, what do you think of the new CID investigation of Pat Tillman's demise?
Posted by TIKI AL at March 4, 2006 03:06 PMnn, wht's ths bt Rc bng lsbn? sspct tht t's mrly flks bng thr sl mn slvs. 'v wrkd th wmn's sctn f tw prsns; knw lttl smthng bt lsbns, lthgh nt vrythng. Frm wht 'v wtchd bt Rc, sh's nt nythng bt lsbnsm. f sh's sngl, t s bcs sh s s dmn bsy tryng t lgtmt th WH cbl, sh's gt n tm t b prgnnt r brft, (ys, thnkng bt y, Shrn, n th bv pst, f crs!).
[Editor: ignore=off]Condi: you would look better in the Sikh officer's uniform.
Posted by tempus at March 4, 2006 04:33 PMLast time I bring HER along to upstage me.
Posted by Bill at March 4, 2006 05:36 PMDeeply Disturbing
Posted by Kenneth at March 4, 2006 05:36 PMChildren are starving in Africa; kids are starving in America; kids are starving on Mars--all you can think of is making fun of Condi and George? Sheeeeuuuutttt! The sight of them two all fessed up in their fancy clothes is enough to make any American with a brain ashamed of what is loosed upon us! Condi blows George, okay? 'Nuf said? She ain't Jewish, 'nuf said?
Posted by Mal Feasance at March 4, 2006 05:53 PMIf I jump on you right now, do you think anyone would notice?
Posted by oppressmenot at March 4, 2006 06:43 PMIf Laura had your ass, we'd have alot more than TWO kids, heh, heh heh.
Posted by oppressmenot at March 4, 2006 06:45 PM"Brown Sugar, Oh you make me feel so good."
Well, if you grow up around someone like this...
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/53/1546/1024/granny-04%20copy2.jpg
then that explains this...
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/53/1546/1024/rice+bush.jpg
and this...
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/53/1546/1024/scan.1.jpg
All courtesy of The President's Blog...
http://presidentgeorgebush.blogspot.com
Put down your stick of butter and read my post!!!
Condi: I dreamed 2001 Arabian nights in my Maidenform bra...
Chimp: Bow-wow-wow-yippee-yo-yipee-yea dogs of the world unite
(yes, thinking about you, Sharon, in the above post, of course!)
Huh? I don't get it.
Posted by Sharon at March 4, 2006 07:14 PMMy observation is that Bush looks really really old in that picture. Scout, it is difficult to show any respect for Condie the Liar. She has shown that she does not respect this Country or Americans, and therefore, we show her absolutely no respect on this site and many others.
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 07:25 PMAs usual, Judith, you are sooooo correct. We're trying to have fun here. There is no more fun, however, in Amerika. How can anyone be silly over this pix. Remember Katrina? When Condi, Miss Amerika, was buying them hateful expensive shoes in NYC when the storm blew and she was called on it by a passerby and Condi had that passerby seen by the POL-Leeeece? She's a hapless ho, and nothin' mo. A bad name to all educated AA women in the US.
Posted by Mal Feasance at March 4, 2006 08:32 PMAgree Mal. First of all, Condi is not a beautiful women by any stretch of the imagination. Personally, I think she has very scary almost evil eyes, and if the eyes are the windows to the soul, her's is black. Having said that, a truly beautiful woman has inner beauty as well as physical beauty. Condi has neither.
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 09:31 PMBrown Sugar!
You should have heard it just around midnight!
My husband and I ...
Posted by AlanDownunder at March 4, 2006 09:54 PMHad to use my search function to see if anyone had mentioned the obvious, but the cockroach that is Secretary of State can't hide her disgusting wings with a cloak, though clearly she tries.
I know that comparing human beings to insects is worthy of Chemical Ali ('Different poisons for different bugs'), but who is comparing a human being to an insect?
They are, after all, her disgusting wings.
Can't wait for her face to open up like her performance in Men in Black, and consume the Boy Torturer's head.
Now, THAT would be a diplomatic moment, lemme tell ya.
Posted by Paul in LA at March 4, 2006 11:17 PM"it is because she is so damn busy trying to legitmate the WH cabal"
Scout, are you kidding?
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 11:33 PMMal, I bet those new shoes were for the party in the picture.
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 11:37 PM(Bush thinking) "God I'm fucked if she ever writes a book."
Posted by Judith at March 4, 2006 11:43 PMState bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion
And that would be.....unconstitutional as hell.
Heh, don't count on it. Not anymore, at least.
I'm not sure people fully appreciate current debates in Constitutional law. People I know, at least. To give you an example, Justice Thomas does not believe that such a law would be unconstitutional. Why? Because it's a state law, and nothing in the Constitution prevents a state from establishing its own religion.
The first amendment, you see, reads, "Congess shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion......" Nothing stops the individual state governments from doing so, however.
Yeah, that's Thomas' honest conviction! And in fact, it was, for a very long time, the law of the land.
In fact, the whole Bill of Rights itself was once considered not to apply to the states. It wasn't until the 14th Amendment was ratified that there arose the "Incorporation Doctrine," which applied the Bill of Rights to the states. Read the 14th Amendment, Section 1, and it should become obvious why the doctrine arose.
However, lately, there is indeed a movement to do away with the incorporation doctrine, and the Supreme Court takes it seriously. Moreover, even some of those who agree with the doctrine's textual basis, will still note that the first amendment is the only one of the Bill of Rights that explicitly proscribes actions by Congress. Thus, while basic ideas of "rights" can be incorporated, they'll argue, the only amendment that actually doesn't apply to the states is the first!
I mention these arguments to people I know, and they look at me like I'm crazy. But these arguments must be taken seriously. We already have one justice on the Court that who has admitted to subscribing to them. Most likely, from what I can tell, Scalia is cool with them too. Roberts and Alito? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. If Ginsburg or Stevens leaves the Court while Bush is president, we can kiss the first amendment goodbye officially. The states will have carte blanche to establish religions, ban speech against Christianity, and put gay people to death.
Again, people think I'm nuts when I suggest this as a possibility. But it's real.
Posted by Liveliest Crib at March 5, 2006 03:04 AMis it me? isn't the racist stuff here disgusting?
Posted by tom at March 5, 2006 04:38 AMThe Condi-George picture is even more interesting as published in my local paper. The wider shot shows Laura and India's Pres looking at the next person coming down the line. Only W is following Condi.
Posted by JesseL at March 5, 2006 06:24 AMLiveliest Crib, thank you for your informative post. If passed, I assume this would become a SCOTUS test case for other states, who would follow. My best guess is that citizens of Missouri will fight this with everything they have, and public pressure will defeat the bill (I hope). I suspect that it will get MSM attention soon.
Posted by Judith at March 5, 2006 06:55 AMLiveliest Crib is dead on target, although very judicious in reserving judgment on whether Justices R and A of the new RATS wing will go for the "nonincorporation" argument.
I think there is almost no question Roberts and Alito are very sympathetic to such claims (have probably long ago made up their minds, in fact). This position is fundamental Federalist Society doctrine, and adherence to such views is the very reason these two were selected for the Court by Nero's radical judicial selection team.
Note that this little area didn't come up in any of the confirmation questioning---more blazing competence and prep work by the fabulous Judiciary Dems.
It would likely be a good thing if hapless MO passes such an absurd, fundamentally unconstitutional statute---like Right Wing Utopia South Dakota's clearly unconstitutional abortion ban, it helps draw the battle lines and makes the nation's "independents" aware of what's at stake. The American Boob doesn't understand the Reactionary Revolution currently overtaking most parts of the country, and all of RedAmerica.
(I would guess that most "independents" in MO would strongly support such a fine Christian law, what's the problem? But maybe a Missouran can comment).
Posted by euzoius at March 5, 2006 08:05 AMThe VA nurse they are investigating (intimidating!) for sedition.
This Don't sound like THE LAND OF THE FREE to me.
So thats where my shower curtain went!
Posted by Parallax at March 5, 2006 08:48 AMCrb, thnks vry mch fr y prgrphs tlnng fw ntns. Hwvr, hv cpl tms. Rgrdng th frst mndmnt pn rlgn, (Cngrss shll mk n lw rspctng n stblshmnt f rlgn, r prhbtng th fr xrcs thrf;) ths ws pntng t n rlgn nd ts mny ‘dnmntns,’ Chrstnty. 52 f th 55 sgnrs f th Cnstttn wr ‘vnglcl Chrstns.’ Thy wntd t mk crtn tht th cntrl gvrnmnt wld nt pss lws gnst Chrstn chrch prctcs, s ccrrd whn Chrls cm nt pwr. Th phrs, ‘stblshmnt f rlgn’ mns tht Cngrss cld nt sy tht ths dnmntn, r th thr, ws llgl, tc. t nvr ccrrd t ths gys tht r mdrn cltr wld dvlv t sch lw dgr t llw Cthlcs, slm, Bddhst, Cnfcnsm, T, whtvr thy cll wtchcrft tdy, Hndsm, d nsm.
Th Bll f Rghts prtctd ndvdls frm th cntrl nd stt gvrnmnt. Th vry rsn fr th Cnstttn ws th Shy’s Rblln scr ndr th rtcls f Cnfdrtn. Th wlthy bsnssmn wr frd f nrchy. Nt th rslts f th Whsky Rblln ndr th Cnstttn. (ls thr ws nd fr cntrl f cmmn crrncy nd trts bsd th nd t rs n rmy).
Nt th tnth mndmnt, ‘Th pwrs nt dlgtd t th ntd Stts by th Cnstttn, nr prhbtd by t t th stts, r rsrvd t th stts rspctvly, r t th ppl.’ Ths pnts t tht th Cnstttn nd ts mndmnts pply t th stts; (crrctly rd, rgrdng th 1st mndmnt, Stts cn nt d ny lgl ctn gnst Chrstn chrch) ndd, mny stts wld nt rtfy th Cnstttn ntl th Rghts wr prpsd. Th 14th mndmnt pwrd p th blcks t vt ftr th Cvl Wr. Th crprtns llglly sd ths lw fr slf-gn nd scrd ‘prsn’ stts fr thr bsnss, (gv ths dts th sm rghts s rl ppl. Ths bs, lng wth th trgs lgsltn tht llwd crps t by thr crps crss brdrs cmntd r crrnt pltcl nd scl stts).
ftr th Cvl Wr, th lt bgn t drm f chllngng th mprl hgmny f Grt Brtn n rnst, (Jffrsn nd Mnr wr nvlvd n bt f mprl frply, ls). Why? Bcs r ndstrl/crp bys bgn t lk vr th cn. Thy ‘n-srcd’ lbr frm ll vr th wrld. W llwd thr flsh ‘rlgns’ t st-p n r pltcl dmn. Ltr, r gfy sclgsts plgz fr th rrr by nvntng grl ntns pntng r scty s ‘tssd sld,’ r, ‘mltng pt.’ ll f ths fls lgtmtns prppd crprt cntrl, dmnnc nd rl vr r ‘dmcrtc rpblc. ‘
n th thr hnd, lthgh Mssr’s lgsltr my hv ts hrt pntd n th rght drctn, t s t lttl t lt. r ld tm chrchs hv mrphd nt th tsd Bbylnn cltr. Chrchrs dvrc, sympthz wth hmsxls, mbrc fmnsm, ndrs wmn pstrs, lv nbrn nfntcd, d nsm. Tdy’s chrchs gnr th Bbl nd crt thr wn gspls tdy, (lthgh, ths ws tr, t lssr dgr, fr th pst 2,000 yrs). fnd t ntrstng tht y pntd t Thms, s ths dt s fn xmpl f psr ‘Chrstn’ tht s prvrt. Rmmbr nt Hll? Thms s flthy xmpl f hw nsty r pltcl prcss hs dvlvd. W cnsstntly plc mn f trsh chrctr nt pstns f pwr; w nw xplt r wmn t strggl wth thr lmtd mns t ls prmt r sprstrctr f vl. Hw bd cn t gt? sspct wrs; ll w hv t d s bsrv th DC crcs f dprvty. trst tht y ddn't wnt m t tll y wht yr wntd t hr?
[Editor: ignore=off]Scout,
I trust that you didn't want me to tell you what your wanted to hear?
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but if you mean that you confirm that there are bigots out there like you who believe in the legal and moral superiority of Christianity, then you're wrong. I fully want people like you to come on blogs and demonstrate precisely what you believe about other people and our Constitution, without the spin and lies that most of your ilk use to gain power. The clandestine nature of your brethren makes them dangerous. So, contrary to your suspicion, I thank you. Perhaps people won't think I'm nuts.
Regarding the first amendment upon religion, (Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;) this was pointing to one religion and its many ‘denominations,’ Christianity. 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were ‘evangelical Christians.’
That this tired argument is being rehabilitated in modern times frightens me far more than the terrorist boogeymen abroad. One can only subscribe to this argument by extreme Original Intent views, which even Scalia explicitly rejects. Personally, I believe in reading the Constitution's words, not trying to read the minds of the people who wrote them. And simply put, if they had wanted to protect Christianity and only Christianity, they could have written that. But they didn't.
Moreover, Justice Thomas, if he's true to what he's said in the past, wouldn't agree with this. He'd say that if, say, Oregon wanted to establish an offically Satanic state, it could - or at least, nothing in the Constitution would empower him as a judge to stop such a development.
As for your statement that the vast majority of the framers were "evangelicals," I haven't the slightest clue what you mean. You'll have to define "evangelical" for me to even begin to dispute you. Maryland was an officially Catholic state for a while, you know.
It never occurred to these guys that our modern culture would devolve to such a low degree to allow Catholics, Islam, Buddhist, Confucianism, Tao, whatever they call witchcraft today, Hinduism, ad nauseam.
Yeah, "devolve" indeed. Thank you again for showing your true colors.
I don't have time to devote to explaining why you're so completely off-base with this statement, and it probably doesn't matter. You'll take what you understand on faith regardless. But for any other readers, here's a quote from George Washington - one of the Constitution's framers - instructing his house staff on the criterion for hiring of servants:
If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists.
The Bill of Rights protected individuals from the central and state government.
Actually, as originally intended, and as originally interpreted, the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states at all. The states were free to do whatever they wanted with respect to establishing religions, banning newspapers, etc.
Note the tenth amendment, ‘The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.’ This points out that the Constitution and its amendments apply to the states;
You're babbling, but I'm glad you brought up the 10th Amendment. This amendment (which I believe in and support, by the way) doesn't "apply" the Constitution to the state. It "reserved" "POWERS" to the states. It means what it says. If Congress doesn't have the POWER, then that POWER is RESERVED to other entities.
I put POWER in caps because a careful reading of the Constitution reveals that the framers were extremely careful to differentiate government POWERS with the people's RIGHTS. Thus, just because certain POWERS were RESERVED for the states, doesn't mean that the states have carte blance POWERS to violate people's RIGHTS. It's important to note (which advocates of "state's rights" - and oxymoron if you consider what I just said - never do) that those POWERS are not merely reserved to the states, but also to THE PEOPLE. Meaning, the states' POWERS vis-a-vis their respective people were themselves not unlimited.
States don't have RIGHTS. People have RIGHTS. And where are most of those rights located? In the conveniently overlooked 9th Amendment! The enumeration in the ConstitutionThe enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. The operative word in this amendment is RETAINED. Madison, an opponent of the enumeration of rights altogether, made sure to insert this amendment into the Bill of Rights so that the enumeration of rights would never be construed as exhaustive. We're losing that battle, but we can revive it.
The 14th amendment powered up the blacks to vote after the Civil War.
Uh, golly, you're textually off-base here. It's the 15th Amendment that secures the right of black (males) and former slaves to vote. Unless you're actually referring to the little-known Section 2, which prescribes a punishment for states who somehow manage to deny any 21-year-old males the right to vote. (By the way, wouldn't have been interesting to invoke this punishment - losing representatives and electoral college votes - on Florida in 2000?)
Seciton 1 of the 14th Amendment, for interested parties, reads:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The corporations illegally used this law for self-gain and secured ‘person’ status for their business.
No argument from me! Corporate personhood is an insidious part of our law, only getting stronger.
They ‘in-sourced’ labor from all over the world. We allowed their foolish ‘religions’ to set-up on our political domain.....
Yes, the mighty and powerful immigrant labor force. Could you please legalize whatever it is you're smoking?
For anyone who might question my spending time countering a troll, as I said before, Scout's argument's must be taken seriously. We can't poo-poo them as though they would never become the law of the land or that our Constitution protects us from them. In law school, nothing frightened or nauseated me more than taking first-year Constitutional Law. I was curled up in fetal position learning the realities of how the Supreme Court has shredded our rights and liberties over the generations.
But there is a movement to revive them. There are progressive and libertarian scholars seeking methedologies to rescue rights, enumerated and unenumerated. But I implore everyone not to take them for granted.
For a simple, 10-step argument to combat the nonsense with which we are continually bombarded, try this:
(1) The Constitution lists rights, but it doesn't grant people rights!
(2) On the contrary, it grants the government powers, and limits them!
(3) Rights are natural rights, inalienable rights, which are RETAINED by the people despite the granting of powers to the government.
(4) The listing of rights retained in the Constitution is incomplete - for there are other rights RETAINED by the people. A real strict constructionist would know this - the Constitution says so, in so many words!
(5) But Judicial Omissionists - the flip side of the Judicial Activist coin - overlook and omit the 9th Amendment and the 14th Amendment, the parts of the Constitution that say exactly what steps 1 - 4 say.
(6) To paraphrase those amendments: Neither state nor federal governments may infringe on rights, privileges or immunities RETAINED by the people, and no judges are allowed to say that rights are not RETAINED just because they're not listed.
(7) Thus, the mere fact that rights like "privacy" or "lifestyle" or "gay marriage" or "abortion" or "contraception" or "dying your hair blue" are not enumerated or listed out as such doesn't matter.
(8) In fact, arguing that those rights don't exist just because they're not enumerated is not allowed! It ignores the Constitution. It is Judicial Activism. It is legislating from the bench.
(9) There is one overarching right that the Founding Fathers considered SELF EVIDENT enough to justify the revolution: THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
(10) Point to the 9th Amendment, the 14th Amendment, and the Declaration of Independence, and ask, "Isn't it SELF EVIDENT that the people have RETAINED the right to THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS?"
The rest of the arguments flow from there. The freedom to pursue happiness is why equal U.S. citizens have the right to live how they want, love whom they want, marry whom they want, do what they want with their bodies, as long as they're not infringing upon the equal right of non-consenting other citizens to do the same. Wasn't this once self evident?
Posted by Liveliest Crib at March 5, 2006 12:11 PMWhile Missouri is a fairly conservative State, it is not a right-wing wacko State. I suspect that Independents and many Conservatives will not support such a bill, and of course, we liberals will not support it either. Just as Stem Cell Research has collected enough names to put in on the Missouri ballot this fall (even though they are trying to keep citizens from voting on it), this will also end of being voted on by the citizens. Downside, Missouri, County and City, will have Diebold machines in the November elections for the first time.
Posted by Judith at March 5, 2006 02:29 PMIgnore my post. I am tired and need to take a nap. My post is not what I wanted to say, but too tired to correct it. Later
Posted by Judith at March 5, 2006 02:31 PMSikh, sikh, sikh
Posted by Frankly, my dear, ... at March 5, 2006 04:47 PMShe could be my vice president anytime.
Posted by Eli at March 5, 2006 06:58 PMNice ass!
Posted by FAT at March 5, 2006 09:27 PMsympathize with homosexuals
Fuck you, you repressed sack of shit. If you weren't so obviously shizoid I'd reach through this computer and stuff my hand up your ass then pull your tongue past your rectum. People like you are the problem with the United States. You're the Taliban wrapped in christianity. Your religion is one of death in which people follow a non-god that resembles nothing from the new testament. If there were a god as you have a belief in you would have been hit by a bus long ago.
Busch looking at Condi: "Me like-ee! That ass is just like Jeff's!"
Posted by phidipides at March 5, 2006 09:31 PM