It is in America's long term interest for both parties to oppose the ongoing Mexicanization of the United States.
Posted by Ahrimahn at March 27, 2006 11:21 AMGIven the mess this Administration has made out of everything they've touched....I'll go with Krugman on this issue. As for the commenter above....have you been to California or Texas recently?? The train has left the station, dude.
Posted by T2 at March 27, 2006 11:28 AMIt is in America's long term interest for both parties to oppose the ongoing Mexicanization of the United States.
It's in the interest of the bigots and racists anyway.
Hate to tell you pal but caucasian english speaking people are a minority on this planet and are only going to become more of a minority "in the long term".
Posted by snark at March 27, 2006 11:29 AMI heart Dick Durbin.
Posted by ann at March 27, 2006 11:31 AMIt is in America's long term interest for both parties to oppose the ongoing Mexicanization of the United States.
Say that the next time you eat a taco...ignorant motherfucker!
Posted by bbtb at March 27, 2006 11:39 AMWe are all immigrants, unless you are from the Olduvai Gorge, or the Serengeti Plain. There are no exceptions.
Posted by tempus at March 27, 2006 11:40 AMSteve, The Democrats will capitalize on the immigration issue like they have capitalized on the Iraq War, the Port Deal, the Abramoff Scandal, Katrina, the Plame Affair, the NSA Surveillance Program or the backing of Feingold on Censure!
The administration and GOP no longer has the black, hispanic, gay, woman, the liberal, 80% of independents or 35% of the repuke vote; bu$h is such a non-issue, we progressives would do wise by backing this format! Power in numbers people!
Posted by bbtb at March 27, 2006 11:59 AMIf by Mexicanization one means third-worldization, then yes, that would be bad for the American middle class (and by extension our businesses). I'll not reflexively attribute a racist slant to the first poster's statement, since I've said repeatedly that BushCorp wants America to be Mexico: A place where labor is powerless, the middle class is anemic, and a tiny group of elites run the entire political/economic show.
If the first comment was indeed some hatin' on Hispanics, then good luck, motherfucker...you might want to head for Finland.
Posted by God Of War at March 27, 2006 12:15 PMA place where labor is powerless, the middle class is anemic, and a tiny group of elites run the entire political/economic show.
Yes GOW, we are there!
What is wrong in having a system to issue work permits to Mexican workers? Europe has used this system with Turkish and Greek workers for years. Remember our economy needs these workers to come over from Latin America and these workers need employment. Only reason they take enormous risks of coming over illegaly is lack of a system for them to come over legaly. It is not a rocket science.
Posted by suresh at March 27, 2006 01:13 PMIt's now 1:36 p.m. The office building I work in flanks the 110 freeway in Los Angeles where it interchanges to the 101 and the 5. Marchers demonstratoring on the freeway have just taken over the northbound lanes and are shutting down the interchange. The CHP and LAPD cars are trying to herd them over to the shoulder, but they're not budging. VIVA LA REVOLUCION! Film at 11:00 p.m. (or not, depending on the MSM). I bet the Highway Patrol and LAPD officers are *pissed*!! (:>
Posted by Donald Cormac at March 27, 2006 01:40 PMIt is in America's long term interest for both parties to oppose the ongoing Mexicanization of the United States.
Tried this in Nebraska and the packing plants went nuts. No one to grind the beef, doncha know.
Big business will squash this flat. They need their illegal immigrants working without benefits or taxes to pad the corporate line. Americans won't do these jobs without being paid properly for working those jobs. When corporations start witholding the PAC and lobby funds Congress will soon come to heel. They need their cash fix worse than they need immigration "reform".
Ahrimahn? Is that ARYAN? Maybe you could explain why all those Aryan nation guys look so queer? I've always wondered about guys in lots of tatoos without shirts chesting each other and patting each other on the butt. It's a gay front operation, right?
Posted by phidipides at March 27, 2006 01:45 PMConsidering the desire of transnational corporations for unlimited cheap labor, any immigration reform has to include first controlling the border with both technology and manpower. If we grant resident status to the undocumented without border control, we will get more desperate third world peasents as immigrants and nothing else will change.
Posted by herbal tee at March 27, 2006 02:25 PMIt is in America's long term interest for both parties to oppose the ongoing Mexicanization of the United States.
Well, back in the 1790s, everyone was freaking out about "Germanization" of the United States. Why? Well, those Germans were living in isolated communities, were having trouble learning English and reproducing a hell of a lot faster than Anglos. Dumbasses like Ahriman were sounding the alarm at that time because we were going to be taken over by funny talking Germans and the American way of life would be destroyed. As they predicted, we now all speak German because brave Americans were too unwilling to...oh wait. All the Germans learned English after all and didn't "ruin" American society. Then the Irish, Italians, Chinese, etc. So forgive me if I don't seem that alarmed by your idiotic comments. Dumbass.
Posted by Q at March 27, 2006 04:01 PMI believe the senate judiciary committee solves 2 things, 1) a compromise on behalf immigrants and humanitarian aid workers 2) divides and enrages the hardcore republican base.
That's a win/win in my book anyday!
How is "doing nothing" and having a guest worker program creating what you call "indentured servitude" any different?
Kind of a silly comment, Steve.
I guess because Krugman is for it, you'll swallow whatever hook, line and sinker.
Posted by muckdog at March 27, 2006 04:39 PMWhen did reading comprehension become a problem for you Muck?
Posted by Steve Soto at March 27, 2006 04:42 PMSo, I supposed your praising of Krugman's "do nothing" approach is more of "off the books" servitude, eh? Under the table. On the sly. Who'll know?
Geez.
Posted by muckdog at March 27, 2006 08:51 PMYou really should lay off the mushroom pizza for lunch, muck. Your comments on all the threads today have been more inane than usual.
Posted by pessimist at March 27, 2006 09:57 PMJust about fell outta my chair yesterday listening to Senator Kyl (R-AZ) propose, in all seriousness, an amendment on this that would require anyone who might potentially do charitable work that might, potentially, involve undocumented workers to register with the Department of Homeland Security and have their "bona fides" (his words) checked out. Can you imagine every pastor, rabbi, nun, and church worker in America having to register with the government and get a background check before they offer a bowl of soup or hand out mittens?
I was really hoping it'd survive for a day or two so our religious institutions would have time to register exactly what this freakazoids are trying to do. But it was apparently even to outrageous for the "mainstream" Republicans.
Posted by raisin at March 28, 2006 04:25 AMI oppose the guest worker program for a number of reasons, which are: it allows employer a greater incentive to hire cheaper labor, these companies will not hire Amer. workers because they'd have to pay higher wage, that's a FACT; as long as there are people waiting to get into Amer. legally, obeying our laws,these people SHOULD get first opportunity at jobs and resources. These are just two reasons but I just want to say that I've been a lifelong Demo. and will be changing my party affiliation because it seems that they no longer represent me, as well as millions of other Amer. who supported this party but oppose guest worker (amnesty)for illegal immigrants.
Posted by thoi at March 28, 2006 09:10 AM