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Are they going to send Joe Dumbass Democrat home when the Dumbass part does not match, or let him vote, but the machine won't count it, thus tricking him into thinking he voted? Result: no vote with no complaint.

Now THAT would be sneaky!

Posted by TIKI AL at March 30, 2006 03:51 AM

More good news from Kalifornia

Survey shows Schwarzenegger leads Democratic opponents
BY ALVIE LINDSAY AND AARON C. DAVIS
Knight Ridder Newspapers

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger holds a solid lead over either Democratic challenger in a head-to-head battle in the November election, at least among those who have a preference, but 30 percent of likely voters remain undecided, according to a nonpartisan poll released today.

The survey, by the Public Policy Institute of California, is wide ranging but a theme emerges: The news is good, or at least better, for the governor on virtually all fronts - and it's clear his two Democratic challengers have a lot of work to do.

One-on-one, Schwarzenegger holds an 8 percentage point advantage over former eBay executive and current state Controller Steve Westly and a 12-point lead over Treasurer Phil Angelides.

Just earlier this month, a Field Poll showed that Angelides was even with the governor and Westly actually had a 4-point edge.

Larry Gerston, political science professor at San Jose State University, said the PPIC poll's most telling result is how far Angelides and Westly lag behind.

"After two months of a rather massive television campaign they find themselves this far behind the governor," Gerston said. "Their messages really haven't penetrated."
...
Perhaps more telling, 71 percent of Californians said they like Schwarzenegger, including 57 percent of Democrats.

Four more years!

Four more years!

Four more years!

Four more years!

Posted by peter at March 30, 2006 03:52 AM

Crack! It's what's for breakfast!

Posted by idiosynchronic at March 30, 2006 04:44 AM

If you wanna hang out 4 more years just shout, cocaine.

He tells lies, he tells lies, he tells lies, cocaine.

Posted by TIKI AL at March 30, 2006 05:16 AM

Sung and played nicely by Clapton who just so happens to share my birthday, today. 49 years young!
Written by J.J. Cale

Posted by bbtb at March 30, 2006 05:22 AM

Happy birthday, bbtb, I got you a cake at the ol' homestead. There's a party thread just for you!

BTW, Jill Carroll was released!

Posted by iamcoyote at March 30, 2006 05:30 AM

Diebold must Die. As must its Sequoia, ES&S and other assorted election-stealing microchipped vote-flipping kin. The preferable means would be legislative, but crowbars will do. In any event, the rage against the machines must be complete. These swindlers of democracy must be destroyed.

Period.

Peter, you insipid little shitstain on the ass of society, do note that Arnold's salvage job has come as a result of his pursuing Democratic themes.

You see, you asslicking twat, this is why you'll lose, and I'll win: I could give a shit about party, as long as I get what I want (and by extension, America is bettered). You, pathetic, mindless fuck that you are, are beholden to a political party and will fall with them. I am a leader. You are a follower. You'll suffer the appropriate fate.

Your placement of loyalty to party over country would have prompted one George Washington to consider you a "man" unworthy of the idea of America.

Posted by God Of War at March 30, 2006 06:08 AM

Many happy election returns, young whipersnapper known as bbtb. da da da da----DA daaaa.

Sorry about the Spanish Armada being sunk by Nancy Boys in 1588. Scout was rewriting history, again.

Posted by TIKI AL at March 30, 2006 06:11 AM

Yeah, I read that this morning on First Draft. I'm happy for Jill and her family. As River was saying yesterday, they're no longer going to jump at the sound of the door or the phone because it may mean bad news, nor will they have to worry about checking the morgue every couple days . .

Happy birthday, bb.

Posted by idiosynchronic at March 30, 2006 06:11 AM

So, aside from being kicked out of the system if your voter registration doesn't match your driver's license, what happens if you don't HAVE a driver's license? Every time I hear stuff like this, it just makes me feel like we may as well hand the country over to the far right right now--why bother fighting it. We can't win under these circumstances.

Posted by CG at March 30, 2006 06:12 AM

There is something left to hand over to the far right?

Posted by TIKI AL at March 30, 2006 06:21 AM

Wouldn't it be wonderful if every single American went to the polls with a piece of paper with their choice for the current election (imagine that, an actual god damn receipt) and a crow bar, and took out the Lie-bold machines, no matter what the cost? How many of us would have to do that before the RePigs and 'authorities' got the message? On the way out, we drop our paper vote in the box, with a message that says "Bring back true, representative Democracy to America, Stop Election Fraud! STOP Corporate vote manipulation." (This, of course, is fantasy, and not to be confused with an actual urging to do anything illegal, or anything.) But, wouldn't it be grand, a Democracy, just like Grandma and Grandpa used to have.

Posted by at March 30, 2006 06:24 AM

The Crowbar Revolution.

It's catchy. I like it.

Posted by God Of War at March 30, 2006 07:42 AM

As Malcom X said, "By any means necessary." They stop at nothing to lie (or "catapult the propaganda" as per Bushito Mussolini), cheat, defraud, oppress, manipulate, steal, kill, and blame. We have to play by their rules, only be smarter, until we can get the rules changed back to ones of decency, honor, and integrity. Imagine a guy who comes to a fight and "fights fair" against a guy who will kick your ass at all costs/no holds barred/regardless of who it hurts or how badly. The former is a guy who winds up with his brains bashed in.

Posted by oppressmenot at March 30, 2006 07:56 AM

Same thing happens when you buy stuff with a credit card. You have to use the same name. Helps reduce fraud. We should all be against fraud. Agreed?

Posted by muckdog at March 30, 2006 08:18 AM

I have another outrage.

Yesterday the Dems unveiled their Real Security Agenda.

There, at the Press Conference, was hundreds of Dem Representatives, Wes Clark, Madeline Albright, The President of the National Firefighters Assoc and The Head of the Black Vet Assoc.

Now, these big people who back the Dems know something about Ntl Security. However, there was virtually no coverage of this unveiling by the media.

A little bit of joking at the Dems expense on cable news and nothing on the nightly news. WTF?!?!?

I watched when the Dems unveiled the "Honest and Open Leadership Act" - again, big ceremony, comparable to the "Contract On America" - yet no press coverage.

Just the same meme, over and over again, "Dems have no plans."

Feldman says that the Dems need to be asking questions rather than offering solutions. Usually I agree with Feldman's Framing, but I believe that a whole lot of Nascar America needs some kind of soundbite. They cannot think for themselves beyond a catchy phrase.

My beef is that how can the soundbite get out if the media refuses to cover it?

Posted by Anjha at March 30, 2006 08:20 AM

We should all be against fraud. Agreed?

Posted by muckdog at March 30, 2006 08:18 AM

You mean the kind of fraud that claims that there are WMD and lead America into war and kills hundreds of thousands of people? That kind of fraud?

Posted by Anjha at March 30, 2006 08:24 AM

Anjha, mucky was for fraud before he was against it.

Posted by iamcoyote at March 30, 2006 08:30 AM

Imagine a guy who comes to a fight and "fights fair" against a guy who will kick your ass at all costs/no holds barred/regardless of who it hurts or how badly. The former is a guy who winds up with his brains bashed in.
Posted by oppressmenot at March 30, 2006 07:56 AM

*****

And the latter would be yours truly.

Have you had enough yet?

I have.

Posted by God Of War at March 30, 2006 08:31 AM

Anjha, mucky was for fraud before he was against it.

Posted by iamcoyote at March 30, 2006 08:30 AM

Told ya, laughing out loud still hurts. Cut it out all ready!

Posted by Anjha at March 30, 2006 08:37 AM

Frist will step down from the Senate so he can run for prez. Like Bush, he comes across to me as a petulant 4-yr-old, not to mention all the bad things he's done. I can't stand him. We can't have another one like Bush. Can we have a one-question test you have to pass before you run for president? "Do you believe the story of creation from the book of Genesis is literally true?" If you answer yes, you obviously don't have the critical thinking skills to run the country.

Posted by CG at March 30, 2006 09:04 AM

You mean the kind of fraud that claims that there are WMD and lead America into war and kills hundreds of thousands of people? That kind of fraud?

Anjha, perhaps you don't keep up on current news. We now know about Saddam and WMD. Turns out our intelligence was right on. Nobody lied. Not Bush. Not even Clinton or Gore when they believed Saddam had WMDs (before their pandering flip-flops.

Link

Excerpts from Saddam's audio tapes:

On them, Saddam talks openly of programs involving biological, chemical and, yes, nuclear weapons.

[A]s late as 2000, Saddam can be heard in his office talking with Iraqi scientists about his ongoing plans to build a nuclear device. At one point, he discusses Iraq's plasma uranium program — something that was missed entirely by U.N. weapons inspectors combing Iraq for WMD. This is particularly troubling, since it indicates an active, ongoing attempt by Saddam to build an Iraqi nuclear bomb.

"What was most disturbing," said John Tierney, the ex- FBI agent who translated the tapes, "was the fact that the individuals briefing Saddam were totally unknown to the U.N. Special Commission (or UNSCOM, the group set up to look into Iraq's WMD programs)."

From Georges Sada, second in command in Iraq's air force:

He has written a book, "Saddam's Secrets," that details how the Iraqi dictator used trucks, commercial jets and ships to remove his WMD from the country. At the time, the move went largely undetected, because Iraq pretended the massive movement of materiel was to help Syrian flood victims.

Nor is Sada alone. Ali Ibrahim, another of Saddam's former commanders, has largely corroborated Sada's story.

So how was Saddam able to use his "cheat and retreat" tactics without being found out? He had help, according to a former U.S. Defense Department official.

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," said John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary of defense, in comments made at an intelligence summit Feb. 17-20 in Arlington, Va.

"They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special ops) units out of uniform that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," he said.

Also, the argument is put forth by this site and other leftist sites that Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism. But now we know you folks are the ones lying.

THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis.

The discovery of the information on jihadist training camps in Iraq would seem to have two major consequences: It exposes the flawed assumptions of the experts and U.S. intelligence officials who told us for years that a secularist like Saddam Hussein would never work with Islamic radicals, any more than such jihadists would work with an infidel like the Iraqi dictator. It also reminds us that valuable information remains buried in the mountain of documents recovered in Afghanistan and Iraq over the past four years.

"As much as we overestimated WMD, it appears we underestimated [Saddam Hussein's] support for transregional terrorists," says one intelligence official.

Bush was right about Saddam and WMDs. Bush was right on Saddam's link to terrorism.

'Nuff said.

Posted by muckdog at March 30, 2006 09:29 AM

Muck, your gullability is truly pitiful.

How you make it through life with your inability to think critically amazes me.

Best protect your portfolio. I suspect that the next big-titted-bleach-blonde who promises to blow you upon demand will actually suck your pocket dry before she gets anywhere near your member.

Posted by Anjha at March 30, 2006 09:38 AM

As for weapons of mass destruction, there were none, but Saddam could not bring himself to admit it, because he feared a loss of prestige and, in particular, that Iran might take advantage of his weakness—a conclusion also sketched earlier by the C.I.A.-supervised Iraq Survey Group. He did not tell even his most senior generals that he had no W.M.D. until just before the invasion. They were appalled, and some thought he might be lying, because, they later told their interrogators, the American government insisted that Iraq did have such weapons. Saddam “found it impossible to abandon the illusion of having W.M.D.,” the study says. The Bush war cabinet, of course, clung to the same illusion, and a kind of mutually reinforcing trance took hold between the two leaderships as the invasion neared.

Deluded

Bush was wrong about Saddam and WMDs. Bush was wrong on Saddam's link to terrorism.

'Nuff said.

Posted by ann at March 30, 2006 09:45 AM

Anjha, now that's funny!

Posted by iamcoyote at March 30, 2006 09:46 AM

Muck, I guess it depends on who you beleive.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11927856

http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2006/03/over-at-new-york-sun-our-old-pal-eli.html

Posted by at March 30, 2006 09:48 AM

muckdog...the other "bubble boy"!

Posted by bbtb at March 30, 2006 09:49 AM

One can learn much about the validity of Mr Sada's claims when they read up on who published the manuscript of lies.

Good gawd - these right wingers will stop at fucking nothing to lie to the American people.

The Crusaders are happy to know, I am sure, that this man is working in the new soveriegn Iraqi Govt.

Posted by Anjha at March 30, 2006 10:37 AM

Nice find, Anjha. It's really such a logical issue, if there were evidence of WMDs and a real connection to al Queda, BushCo would be pushing it 24/7. Instead, they have admitted that there were no WMDs and there was no connection to al-Queda. I can't believe there are still those who want to disrespect the word of their leaders. It's funny how they'll believe some things BushCo says (global warming doesn't exist, we're addicted to oil, Iraq is the front in the war on terror) but won't buy his honesty.

Posted by ann at March 30, 2006 11:12 AM

Muck, you fuck...

...there's a reason IBD isn't used as evidentiary support...apparently, you haven't learned that yet.

IBD is good for ONE thing, and one thing alone: Their proprietary stock ranking system. As far as their "news" division goes, you'll not be living in the reality based world if you constrict your mind to their ultra-rightwing licking propaganda machine. Ever see them winning pulitzers? No, you don't.

The fact that you link to IBD immediately destroys your already tenuous claim to any credibility. Why don't you link to the Weekely Standard or Moonie Times while you're at it. Or, perhaps, Redstate.com (which in effect will be linking to some other wingnut's unattributed work).

In any event, when you're done with the IBD stock ranking system, might I suggest that you take your Investor's Business Daily, roll it up, and shove it up your ass.

Posted by God Of War at March 30, 2006 11:20 AM

Just a reminder, if you have not yet signed on to co-sponsor Senator Feingold's Censure Resolution, please do so now.

Hearing is tomorrow.

Also, please remind everyone who you know to sign on as well.

Thanks.

Posted by Anjha at March 30, 2006 11:58 AM

IBD didn't make the claims. The claims are on Saddam's tapes. Saddam made the claims. They're on the tapes!

LOL.

With all the koolaid you folks are drinking, I bet you have to pee ever 3 minutes!

Posted by muckdog at March 30, 2006 12:03 PM

The claims are on Saddam's tapes. Saddam made the claims. They're on the tapes!

That's true, he made "claims" however, we now know that his "claims" were false.

Posted by ann at March 30, 2006 12:11 PM

muckdog's just doing his part to spread half-truths and misinformation about Saddam's "secret documents' via the internet.

Why do you think Bushco wanted everything dumped raw online? Here's a hint. What percentage of the American people believed Saddam Hussein was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks and what did the media do to correct that misconception?

These documents are going to be copy pasted and linked by every wingnut in the universe until they are accepted as gospel truth by the American sheeple.

Posted by snark at March 30, 2006 12:23 PM

You've got to understand (forgive me for stealing Condi's new favorite line) muckdog will spend the next 2 and a half years in mortal fear that a Democrat will be elected president in 2008 and that he will then have to part with a little bit more of his precious money. He doesn't give a crap about WMD's, Saddam Hussein or the Iraqi people. He cares about the weight of his wallet. He'll latch onto any issue between now and then that he thinks will help keep a Republican in the White House.

Posted by snark at March 30, 2006 12:28 PM

snark, you are right on with your last comment. it's about the money, stupid!

If anyone hasn't seen this yet, it's just more the same. Lies and damn lies.

Posted by ann at March 30, 2006 12:32 PM

snark, you are right on with your last comment. it's about the money, stupid!

If anyone hasn't seen this yet, it's just more the same. Lies and damn lies.
Posted by ann at March 30, 2006 12:32 PM

*****

Of course muck is so fucking stupid that he doesn't realize that he'd probably be better off economically under a Dem.

Posted by God Of War at March 30, 2006 12:40 PM

Muck, I thought Saddam always lies. In the Dulfer reprot it stated that Saddam was lied too by his (staff) often about the WMD's. (they told him they had them when they didn't)

Posted by goose1 at March 30, 2006 01:11 PM

Muchdog writes:
IBD didn't make the claims. The claims are on Saddam's tapes. Saddam made the claims. They're on the tapes!

Why are you saying we should trust Saddam?

Posted by Indiana Joe at March 30, 2006 01:26 PM

Politically, I prefer gridlock. I like it when the government can't even agree on which day of the week it is without sending it to a committee and coming up with a bipartisan answer 14 months from now.

LOL

I don't really think it matters much who is President. I'll make money whoever is President. What matters more for the average person is who is in charge of the Federal Reserve.

Posted by muckdog at March 30, 2006 02:43 PM

What matters more for the average person is who is in charge of the Federal Reserve.

Only if your sole interest in life is your money. And only if you define "average person" as upper middle class elite.

Posted by ann at March 30, 2006 02:48 PM

Ann, you silly goose. Don't you know anything? Ask folks who borrow what they think. When The Fed raises rates, the cost of borrowing money goes up for folks (and businesses). This impacts far more people than anything the President does.

The Fed's rate hikes affect everyone who borrows money.

You think that's just the upper crust of society, Ann?

LMAO

Posted by muckdog at March 30, 2006 04:47 PM

If it wasn't for the pretzeldunce borrowing so much, muck, the rates wouldn't be going up. When foreign banks cite the deficit spending as the reason they are becoming cautious about further investments in T-bills, the blame cannot be deflected. So much for the Fed impacting far more people than anything Bu$h does!

Posted by pessimist at March 30, 2006 05:15 PM

Muck dogbreath, If you laughed your ass off, there wouldn't be any of you left. So, keep laughing, funny boy.

Ann's point, you fucking moron, (if I may Ann), is that alot of people have to worry about so many day to day issues, like if they can take their seriously ill child to the doctor since they have no fucking helath insurance because dickheads like you oppose Universal health care, or they are living with a severe, persistant mental illness, or they are permanently disabled, etc... that they could care less about the Federal Reserve. They want to survive and live a free and dignified life. And why must they suffer so, and be so obsessed with just surviving day to day? Well, in large part because the God Damn Pigs like you care about nothing but counting their money and "keeping what's mine, fuck the other guy". Job training? medicine? health care? equal access to a QUALITY education? prenatal care? a clean and healthy environment that doesn't make people sick with cancer, asthma and other respiratory diseases? a living wage? Naw! Fuck that! Right Muckhead? You just keep counting your money. That's right, go check your stocks and shares, and don't you even think of others needs. You'll reap what you sow one day my boy, so just keep it up. If you pull your head out of your ass and start treating other human beings as brothers and sisters, you may start to realize that being such an asshole isn't all it's cracked up to be.

(Ann, hope you don't mind if I took creative license with your intention.)

Posted by oppressmenot at March 30, 2006 05:16 PM

oppressmenot

Behind the high walls that surround muck's sorry little world, it may well be the way he says it is. But if he ever got out into the real world, he'd be in for quite a shock.

Posted by pessimist at March 30, 2006 06:31 PM

oppressmenot, not at all, have at it. I was at the gym so could not respond. you did quite nicely. if you haven't figured it out yet, muck's a sociopath - he has absolutely no ability to feel empathy.

But to this point:

This impacts far more people than anything the President does.

Not really. I'd say taking the country on a spending binge for five years while waging a war of choice and disrupting the entire middle east and running up the national debt with tax cuts for the rich will have much more long lasting impact that whether people can take out more debt.

Posted by ann at March 30, 2006 06:45 PM

Amen sister.

Posted by oppressmenot at March 30, 2006 06:56 PM

HAPPY HAPPY Bbtb.

Missouri is trying to pass legislation before the elections that will require photo identification. Just another attempt to take voting rights away.

Posted by Judith at March 30, 2006 08:50 PM

Let me restate a previous comment.

I think you folks have to pee about ever 30 seconds from all the koolaid you've been drinking!

Your ideas are working great in France. Check out the news! 23% unemployment for young folks! Almost 10% for the nation. Twice our rate.

Geez.

More koolaid?

LMAO

Posted by muckdog at March 30, 2006 10:55 PM

Christ on a pogo stick!

I know they're in the news a lot again these days but what is the obscession with the French?

It's no wonder they think so much of themselves with the way wingnuts obscess about them so much.

Posted by snark at March 31, 2006 05:38 AM

I believe the French also include those who have ceased looking for work--the chronic unemployed---in their employment statistics. Unemployed people who have dropped out don't just fall out of the equation entirely, as they do here.

If we (sensibly and honestly) used the same methodology, our unemployment rate would equal the French rate.

Posted by euzoius at March 31, 2006 12:25 PM

Lazy Kept stay at home women get Social Security whithout paying a penny into the system. This is true. The Social Security office will confirm this. Here is the story. Two twin brothers started the same day at the Ford production line. Both worked at the union job for 45 years. Both made the SAME amount of yearly salary, Both paid in the same amount of Social Security tax. One brother was married(NO CHILDREN), the other was single. Well, when they reached age 65 they retired, EACH brother received $1,400 a month in Social Security. BUT THE MARRIED BROTHER WIFE RECEIVED $700 PER MONTH in Social Security.
Now this lazy women who is and was healthy her whole life. She can tell you about every soap opera on TV, she kept a dirty house and can't cook. But she collects Social Security. So now the married brother who saved on federal and state taxes for 43 years of marrage gets $2,100 a month income, but the single brother who paid more taxes gets less. Come on people this problem needs to be fix. Don't get me wrong. I would never denie her widow benifits. she can have the $1.400 per month if her husband dies. But she should not collect for staying at home all day. To make matters worse, a neighbor of theirs (a women) worked for 48 years in at a local Ma & Pa store. This poor sole only gets $625 per month, but a lazy slob and get $700 per month. Come on Mr. Bush fix the problem

Posted by Joel at April 4, 2006 06:34 PM
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