Boehner's against the Senate bill. If he blocks it in the House, I wonder if Bush will condemn him the way he did with Reid. Probably not.
Posted by dole4pineapple at April 10, 2006 11:00 PMDoesn't matter whether Harry blew it or not. He's not in charge. As long as it WAS BLOWN, and the public understands that it was the GOP's to blow, since they are in charge, the GOP will/should get the blame. I hope the Dems continue to drag this out and make the GOP look as bad as possible, and avoid legislation this year. Election year laws suck. Especially when they're on complex issues like this, issues which really are NOT THAT urgent.
Why is this such an urgent issue anyway right now when Doctor Strangelove is set to unleash armageddon? Immigration has been broken for a looong time. It can wait a few more months until we have a Dem Congress that can reign in the micro-cock messiah.
Posted by Mr Larry at April 10, 2006 11:30 PMHere is why this issue is important to the Bush Administration. The-Leaker-in-Chief has successfully taken the heat off himself by redirecting attention on immigration law. The Republicans themselves say that the issue of Bush leaking information "has not been a concern in their caucus, which had been focused on the fate of a immigration reform bill." "I've heard nothing about it either on or off the floor," said Sen. Larry Craig (R) of Idaho.
Looks like the Bush has successfully used the hispanics in his shell game. That's why this issue, at this moment in time, is so important after years of being broken.
Posted by Judith at April 11, 2006 01:44 AMAfter thought: Perhaps Bush&Co. had no idea that this issue would become so huge that it would come back and bit them in the ass.
Posted by Judith at April 11, 2006 02:00 AM"Senate and House GOP members are grumbling that Bush was AWOL on the issue and demonstrated a lack of engagement and leadership on the issue"
Why would he care, he isn't running for office again.
Posted by Judith at April 11, 2006 02:09 AMWhat is it with these Right-wingers. They seem to promote killing people as the answer to any problem. They would have made excellent Nazis.
Right-wing radio host Brian James of KFYI in Arizona recently advocated murder as a way of dealing with undocumented immigrants. An excerpt:
What we’ll do is randomly pick one night - every week - where we will kill whoever crosses the border. Step over there and you die. You get to decide whether it’s your lucky night or not. I think that would be more fun…[I’d be] happy to sit there with my high-powered rifle and my night scope.
The remarks prompted Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard and U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton to send a complaint to the FCC.
Remeber that statement Hispanics when you go to the polls. The Right-wing would rather kill you than give you citizenship.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/murdering-border-crossers/
Posted by Judith at April 11, 2006 02:35 AM2,354
The immigration issue also takes your mind away from the above number and Iran.
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Posted by pessimist at April 11, 2006 06:44 AMBut then La Raza mongrel is more interested in bringing the US down than in lifting up their own.
Posted by Bendito
Good point. Too bad the Republicans have waited almost five years after 9/11 to fix the borders while Bush and his corporate donors have encouraged illegal immigration.
They are here. They ain't going home. We ain't going to deport 12 million people. If you want them to break their ties with Mexico and La Raza, you better consider making them citizens. If Bush and his Republican controlled congress had done their jobs and fixed the border in the first place, we wouldn't be where we are today.
You and your conservative politicos would like this to just go away. Think again, pal. We are ALL going to have to deal with this problem and it is not going to go away.
Posted by at April 11, 2006 07:19 AM
Thanks for the underlying analysis of what was going on procedurally in the Senate.
Does Nero Jr want "guest workers", or is KKKarl orchestrating a huge white 2006 electoral backlash against latino immigrants, legal and illegal?
Generally, after Senate train wrecks, you don't hear about the bill/issue again for a while. If the McCain-Kennedy compromise doesn't come up again in the next couple of months, then Nero doesn't really want a guest worker bill, and I think we can conclude that we are in the middle of a multi-act drama involving the next Republican social-wedge issue. Remember: Nero's a uniter, not a divider---that's certainly one of his legacies!
So the Dems are now on record as the only party to vote for a guest worker/route-to- citizenship-for-illegals bill. Republicans are on record for a draconian "punish the illegals" bill. Looks like KKKarl has set up a pretty clear choice for our fine citizens in November. The die is cast.
What will happen? Latinos are around 15% of the population, I think, but they are the largest growing section. They are the most sought after "block" of the future electorate, and CW had it that Repubs were seriously trying to court them as voters. Yet his strategy seems to be going to the uneducated white yahoo well one more time.
So is KKKarl gaining another short term victory for the criminal Bushco operation and losing the long term war? Can "Republicans" really be on board with such a strategy?
Oh, by the way, the Middle East is blowing up as result of Nero's idiotic policies, hundreds of thousands of American soldiers are in the middle of an escalating civil war involving 25 million people armed to the teeth, our government is bankrupt, national savings is negative, an irreversible energy crisis is knocking at our door, and the Earth's miraculous 12,000 year stable climate has been destablized by our unchecked fossil fuel consumption and requires IMMEDIATE corrective action.
And the election of 2006 will be about: the Immigrant Plagues!
The triumph of American democracy. What a country.
Posted by euzoius at April 11, 2006 07:46 AMLa Raza mongrel
mutts rule, you inbred monarchist.
Posted by benjoya at April 11, 2006 08:23 AMI don't even think it was "played." I think that the Dems are simply humane whereas the Pukes are cruel and ignorant.
At the DC rally, which I thought was beautiful and made me cry, every Union leader was in support of the migrants. They got up and spoke.
Guess what folks - Unions vote Dem.
This is not only a Latino issue. This is a corporation vs the workers issue.
There are more workers than there are corporate board members.
Now it is about the spin.
Current Puke spin is that migrant workers lower US wages. Not true. Illegal workers lower US wages. Make them legal and they have the right to organize and unionize and get higher wages and bring up wages for all.
We cannot allow the spin to take this in a direction that is not true.
We must get louder people and we must join causes. If Unions organize with Latinos and anti-war folks join. Along with real Spiritual leaders (who were in DC supporting the migrants) not the mega-church hate mongerers and people in support of the environment and gay rights folks and women's rights folks and people who support the poor and down-trodden, we have got it all in the bag and can take our fucking Country back.
Posted by Anjha at April 11, 2006 08:44 AMSteve, even some of the quaint Bolshevik writers have commented upon the official introduction of this immigration publicity. Now we know that at least since the end of the Vietnam Pillage, the unofficial policy has been to let everyone cross the border ignoring everything including the fact of respecting the law requiring everyone to go through customs. This also allowed uncontrolled and illegal drug trafficking, besides admitting Central and South American felons and convicts of all types.
We also note that when we got our ass kicked out of Vietnam, our officials brought over all types of ‘friendly’ felons, from death squad commanders and participants, to our mercenary/Vichy South Vietnam politicals, to entire groups of hired mercenary killer/guerillas, such as the Mnong.
Historically, we note how corporate endeavors produce power and profit working both sides of any social situations. You will recall that even the Bolshevik, Lenin, who had Western corporate financing, denigrated his corporate helpers by exclaiming that the capitalists ‘would finance their own demise.’ Of course, Lenin, like his kook teacher, Marx, were upside down in their understanding of human nature. Marx thought human nature was ‘good,’ but our corp lords correctly understand human nature to be depraved. To the elite capitalist, all they had to do was to wait for communism to self destruct; after all, they reasoned, the entire socialist construction of utopia was built upon air-headed imagination. Nevertheless, the corp lords learned considerable from the Bolsheviks, the most important item was the value of destroying the Christian religious institution, within its existing formation prior to the 30’s, and the lesson of the Bolshevik family system that allowed planned infanticide, women exploited outside the family, and women with authority over men, to name a few out of many.
Although Stalin trashed the basic premise of the Bolshevik deconstruction family experiment, our corp lords immediately saw its value as another method of profit and power. We assimilated the Bolshevik ‘family’ structure that we have today when they realized that women were the ultimate consumer, and easily taught to buy, buy, and buy, all based upon unremitting vanity. The corp guys also saw that there was an inverse relationship between the decline of the authority of the husband and the increase of the authority of the wife. As men are minimized, women fill the psychological void. To the corp lords, masses of unrestrained women as consumers was 365 days of Christmas per year.
Now, we know that our corp dudes loved the Nazi system. They had total control over all aspects of social relations. Our quaint Bolshevik thinkers had it correct when they finally managed to connect the evolution of capitalism to the corporation to the fascist state of total control.
I submit that the 50,000,000 ‘illegal’ aliens was simply another attempt to destroy our social institutions that precluded corporate profit, but with one additional factor: induce future social fear.
Please note that the WTC bombing, by all intelligent accounts, was a complete corporate plan of action. They had many motivations. One was to induce a state of bedwetting fear within the minds of our masses of female psyches of docility. This state of fear led to the securing of oil reserves of both Afghanistan and Iraq, but the bizarre airport checks for ‘terrorists’ completely ignoring the official policy of allowing millions of potential ‘terrorists’ to cross US borders, and by foot!
Embedded within the kook hunt for terrorists within the US, we now have this immigration focus. Did we not also learn of the Halliburton contract to build concentration camps in the US? I suspect that these corp guys are going to soon tie up all of their past policies that I‘ve briefly touched upon in the above, create a future ‘national emergency,’ using ‘illegal aliens’ as a main or sub-justification of action, and create the modern fascist State of America, very similar to the USSR of the 50’s. Does this sound far-fetched? Well, if you would have told me five years ago that our America, land of the free, would officially sanction torture, I would have told you that you were just a little over-extended. Did the Nazi’s torture? Did Stalin torture? Did Americans pour into the streets to protest torture? Did illegal aliens pour into the streets to protest rule of law? Well, these guys are scary.
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[Editor: ignore=off]a new Gallup Poll out says that the public supports the eseential elements of the McCain-Kennedy reform bill, a bill that John McCain voted against last Friday.
That same Gallup Poll also seems to show Americans support the essential "draconian" elements of the House proposal.
Do you think the United States government should -- or should not -- make illegal immigration a crime?
Yes 61% No 35%
Do you think the government should -- or should not -- make it a crime for U.S. citizens to provide assistance to people they know are illegal immigrants?
Yes 52% No 43%
This year's election results are going to be interesting...
Posted by fletch at April 11, 2006 09:27 AM
Harry Reid may have wanted the public to identify the Republicans with the draconian House bill, but there is another important reason why he decided not to go along with Frist.
That is passage of the compromise bill would then go to conference, where House members and conservative Senate conferees would shape a final, right wing bill. The Democrats would be powerless to stop it.
Scout, you are a completely psychotic bastard, and that is being kind. I hope you do not preach your crap to a flock. Steve, please ban this idiot, and myself, if that is what it requires.
Tempus
Posted by tempus at April 11, 2006 11:31 AMtempus, Your calling lays over at the Low and Left...come to the lower, lefter side.
You'll be suprised.
bbtb: thanks for the invitation. I do believe you are right, but can you and the other Low and Left put up with me?
Posted by tempus at April 11, 2006 12:10 PMTry us!
I also go by Seven of Six and SOS over there.
That must have taken a lot of hard work to find a crowd of illegal Mexican immigrants waving flags other than their own on the streets of my country.
Gosh, it just gives me a lump in the throat.
Posted by Toby Petzold at April 11, 2006 06:07 PMFuck off Toby, you moron. I bet your family has hired a fair number of illegals. I hope you cannot reproduce.
Posted by tempus at April 11, 2006 06:53 PMToby - Thats funny your pal Gannon was complaining about a lump in the throat too. You probobly got it the same way he did.
Posted by jondee at April 12, 2006 01:58 AM