The Left Coaster: Comment on Plame Grand Jury Meeting Today

Comments: Plame Grand Jury Meeting Today - Is Rove Next?

I could use some good news today... when Scooter was indicted... how many hours was that after the grand jury met?

Posted by OldCoastie at April 21, 2006 10:02 AM

When Libby was indicted... it was being reported the day before by everyone from CNN to FOX news.

So... we should know for sure by yesterday.

Posted by CH Truth at April 21, 2006 10:26 AM

Ahhh! so that's how it works...

Posted by OldCoastie at April 21, 2006 10:42 AM

Today would be a good day for a mega-dump of bad news from the White House... heh

Posted by marky at April 21, 2006 10:53 AM

For some reason, I am cautiously optimistic lately on this issue. I feel it's moved from the if that fat slimebucket traitor Rove gets indicted,over into the when that fat slimebucket traitor Rove gets indicted phase. .... my guess-timate...within the next 2-3 weeks.

Posted by emal at April 21, 2006 10:55 AM

Cautiously optimistic, huh?
Sure! I mean, what's it been now?
2... 2 1/2 years?

Posted by CH Truth at April 21, 2006 11:01 AM

Hold on.

Shuster said: "Patrick Fitzgerald was not seen at the grand jury this week and has not been seen there in some time."

Leopold wrote: "Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald met with the grand jury hearing evidence in the CIA leak case and introduced additional evidence against Rove."

I want to believe Leopold, but he's been wrong before.

Posted by a at April 21, 2006 11:02 AM

Schuster also said that "everytime that Fitz has ever referred to a subject as 'person A' that person has always been indicted in another case/charge" (paraphrase, obviously)

Shuster said they went back and researched all of his indictments and found this to always be the case.

Schuster also said that Fitz's style is to start at the very bottom (as in Ohio) and keep pulling on the thread until the whole sweater unravels (Ohio: press guy to Governor - or was it Chicago Mayor, or both, seems all of Chicago is corrupt)

Posted by Anjha at April 21, 2006 11:16 AM

I meant "all of Ohio Republican Politicians corrupt" - sorry Ann.

Posted by Anjha at April 21, 2006 11:18 AM

Don't get me wrong. I think Rove will be indicted eventually. Maybe even soon.

I'm just taking issue with the sentence "David Shuster reported that there are signs that Fitzgerald has now focused on an indictment of Karl Rove, confirming a story that Jason Leopold had at Truthout.org yesterday."

Firedoglake says don't jump yet.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/

Posted by a at April 21, 2006 11:18 AM

Fitz' website referred to Shuster as a rocket scientist. Just sarcasm, or a compiment?

Posted by Anon1 at April 21, 2006 11:28 AM

Fitz' sebsite referred to Shuster as a rocket scientist. Just sarcasm, or a compliment?

Posted by Anon1 at April 21, 2006 11:29 AM

Plenty of corruption to go around in Chicago, Anjha. The Feds are still investigating Daley's administration and he's definitely not 100% clean, but a lot cleaner than ex Gov Ryan.

Posted by ann at April 21, 2006 11:34 AM

Cautiously optimistic, huh?
Sure! I mean, what's it been now?
2... 2 1/2 years?

Well, whene everyone keeps lying and obstructing justice, trials take a lot longer.

Posted by ann at April 21, 2006 11:36 AM

As of last night, when Shuster was on Olbermann's show, it was probably true that Fitz hadn't been at the courthouse with the Plame grand jury for weeks. But today, according to ABC, the grand jury was meeting.

Posted by Steve Soto at April 21, 2006 11:37 AM

Cautiously optimistic, huh?
Sure! I mean, what's it been now?
2... 2 1/2 years?
Posted by CH Truth at April 21, 2006 11:01 AM

*****

Yes it has, pigfucker, due to the lies and obsfucation of the guilty traitors for whom you shill.

If you think this year has been long, asshole, wait until you see what the next twenty have in store for your failed, treasonous kind.

Posted by God Of War at April 21, 2006 11:39 AM

Steve, if that's true -- that as of yesterday Fitzgerald had not met with the Grand Jury -- then the lede of Leopold's article (dated yesterday) is wrong.

ABC to my knowledge is also not reporting that Fitzgerald is with the grand jury. Yes, the grand jury is meeting. Yes, Rove is probably eventually going to be indicted. But there is no indication that Fitzgerald is there or than an indictment is imminent.

I'm just trying to avoid getting my hopes up so that I don't have a Fitzmas II letdown. Give it time.

Posted by a at April 21, 2006 11:45 AM

Actually... when a person is identified as under any alias - it usually means that this person's identity is being kept secret because they are not subject to being charged with a crime.

In this case... Fitzgerald has kept the identity of the acual leaker confidential and the judge on the case has also confirmed that this was for reputation purposes because that person would not be charged.

Now... assumptions that "Person A" is actually Karl Rove may also be wrong. I believe that there has bee other references to Rove by name in the filings. So why reference him by name in some places, but reference him by an alias in others?

Personally... I will wait for the official word from "Raw Story" as they have been right on the money no less than 2% of the time.

Posted by CH Truth at April 21, 2006 11:51 AM

i'm just a drop-in from FDL so i say FITZ! to you all except CH "truth". hey CH, did you forget your meds this morning? you seem kinda grouchy. can't imagine why.............

Posted by fahrender at April 21, 2006 11:56 AM

CH Truth -

"Official A" was confirmed at the time of the indictment to be Karl Rove by NYT, WaPo, etc.

I don't think any of Fitzgerald's filing mention Rove by name except for one that says Rove will not be called as a government witness. Libby has mentioned Rove a couple of times, as I recall, but not Fitzgerald. There is nothing in Fitzgerald's filing to connect "Rove" to "Official A."

You write,

Fitzgerald has kept the identity of the acual leaker confidential and the judge on the case has also confirmed that this was for reputation purposes because that person would not be charged.

This is not true. There have been reports that the Novak source (speculated to be Dick Armitage) will not be charged, and they are trying to protect his reputation. Fitzgerald and the judge have never made any assurances that they would not charge Official A or Rove.

I will also note that Official A in the Illinois case was Governor George Ryan, who was convicted last week.

Posted by a at April 21, 2006 11:59 AM

Guys, give CH a break. He's still working through the five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.

Posted by ann at April 21, 2006 12:06 PM

Forget giving the troll a break, don't give the proven liar the time of day. He's made his bed with criminals, let him go play with them.

Posted by iamcoyote at April 21, 2006 12:16 PM

coyote, it wasn't sincere. I'm enjoying watching the trolls grieve the loss of their party.

Posted by ann at April 21, 2006 12:27 PM

Personally... I will wait for the official word from "Raw Story" as they have been right on the money no less than 2% of the time.
Posted by CH Truth at April 21, 2006 11:51 AM

*****

Keeeriiist Pinnochio, your nose has got to span the continent by now.

You're such a filthy fucking liar that your posts are amusing as parody.

BTW, asslick, lying is bad, and it'll get you in trouble. Big, big trouble.

Posted by God Of War at April 21, 2006 12:27 PM

Here's a thought. This casts a different light on Rove "stepping down" as WH policy advisor to work on politics. Maybe he's preparing for the indictment. I've read that a prosecutor normally sends a letter warning a suspect of a pending indictiment.

Posted by John at April 21, 2006 12:34 PM

I will bring Karl to his knees. Hold your breath becasue it is sooner than you think!

http://patrickjfitzgeraqld.blogspot.com

Posted by Patricj J. Fitzgerald at April 21, 2006 12:42 PM

please note that this theory was first stated in the press by sidney blumenthal , the day before olberman and schuster.

thanks

Posted by james risser at April 21, 2006 12:55 PM

Fitzgerald has kept the identity of the acual leaker confidential and the judge on the case has also confirmed that this was for reputation purposes because that person would not be charged.

Do you guys even read what you write... much less what anyone else writes??

I never stated that the judge assured anyone that 'Rove' would not be indicted. Only that the original source of the leak was not going to be indicted (thus protecting his/her reputation by referring to them as Person A or Person B). You confirm what I write and then state that I am wrong?

The reasoning here is odd... if the identity of Armitage (or whoever the leaker is) is being protected for purposes of reputation because he/she is not being charged... How does that play into the idea that anyone labeled 'Person A' or 'Person B' is up for indictment. Seems to me that labeling Armitage as a unidentified "person" because he won't be charged shows the opposite.

BTW... it's now 2:15 EST and several hours since Fitzgerald addressed the G.J. Anyone here ready to admit that there is no Rove Indictment coming today?

Posted by CH Truth at April 21, 2006 01:22 PM

Considering no one said anything about an indictment today, the only admission required now is that you're a reading-impaired liar. So, we're waiting. Ready to admit it, punk? Well, are you? Didn't think so, since liars are generally cowards, and you are so obviously a whiney ass titty baby. So tell us, Cornholio, when's Joe Wilson gonna be indicted? Today??

Posted by iamcoyote at April 21, 2006 01:36 PM

I went over and read FDL...I still stand by my part of my original comment that this has moved from the if Rove will be indicted to the when Rove will be indicted phase....but I may be wayyyyy off on the timing.

However, for me, this is a huge change as I really thought Rove had fully avoided/escaped getting indicted at all with those last minute deals/meetings with Fitzgerald. You see I figured that pudgy slimebucket traitor started squealing like a pig once he realized he was going down. So to avoid getting nailed with indictments in this case he just happens to come clean on some info (just where did his rememory of those "improperly archived" 250 pages of emails just miraculously reappear from?). I say Rover gets him some lying, obstruction of justice and maybe even some sort of conspiracy charges...it's just matter of when it will happen and not if it will happen. I am a patient person....I realize the wheels of justice sometimes spin verrrrry slowly.

coyote,
love the last line of your 1:36 comment. Wilson indictment today? Priceless...

Posted by emal at April 21, 2006 02:01 PM

Thanks, emal, I figgered it would be only a matter of time before we got to the "wilson lied" portion of the troll-rant, so I preempted it.

Posted by iamcoyote at April 21, 2006 03:19 PM

does the phrase "presidential pardon" mean anything to anyone? if the "decider" decides that a presidential pardon is the best thing for this country when talking about those traitorous m-f-ers that are getting Fitzed, then his spot as the worst president in history is assured at last...

Posted by roberto at April 21, 2006 05:28 PM

"Here's a thought. This casts a different light on Rove "stepping down" as WH policy advisor to work on politics. Maybe he's preparing for the indictment. I've read that a prosecutor normally sends a letter warning a suspect of a pending indictiment."

No, what he's preparing to do is kick your butts again come November.

But is amusing seeing the drooling posts here today. Too bad there's nothing to it.

Posted by David at April 21, 2006 08:13 PM

Rove was not someone the law could technically apply to. he's witness to the event, a co-comspirator.

A senior Admin Official(Cheney, Condi, Bushie, Rummy, Ashcroft) is responsible for the breach of law. They were the only ones with clearance at a level to see such secrets.

'Official A' is probably Dick Cheney or AWOL himself. That much more info awaits followup.

He's just building the case with the lower people at this point in time.

Posted by Mr.Murder at April 21, 2006 11:43 PM