Comments: Looks Like Rummy And Shooter Will Get Direct Control Of The Agency

Hayden's not going to hearings; he'll be imposed at the next congressional recess.

Posted by Brian Boru at May 5, 2006 09:40 PM

I've read this same speculation on Kos, that Hayden will work for Rummy and Cheney, now. But, will he? Reportedly, there's a power struggle between Negroponte and Rummy. Hayden, Rummy's and Cheney's boy, will now work for Negroponte, but will be undermining him, supposedly. But, will he?

What people do when they work for a new boss instead of their old boss can change their apparent actions based on their previous track record. Of course, what has been really going on in situations like that is they thought one way and did differently, did what they were told to even if they didn't like it.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Hayden is principled or anything like that, just that when people get out from under the thumb of somebody and start working for themselves or as a boss, which is essentially what Hayden will be doing as Director of CIA as it will be his agency and all his, they can turn out very differently than as predicted. Think about it. You're Hayden, you've just been put in charge. Are you going to be Rummy's and Cheney's bitch, or are you going to make the agency your own, something that will help Negroponte and in turn help keep Rummy and Cheney out of your business, your agency? I refuse to believe that Cheney or Rummy are the easiest guys to work for. I think it's very possible that the second any one of their underlings gets out from under their way they will go about securing their own position free of Cheney and Rummy. Hayden could very easily go in that direction.

Posted by Brian Bell at May 5, 2006 10:05 PM

Saying Bush is an incompetent manager is saying that he's calling the shots. I don't think he's even doing that; just more of a point-n-shoot guy for the interests really pointing the lens. And I'm not convinced that Goss hasn't achieved the task he was assigned when he was given the job at the CIA. Cheney's hostility to the agency is long-known; getting it under the thumb of his team seems to me to have been the aim all along.

Reports are that Goss managed to drive out a lot of senior, talented people. My guess is that the CIA is a righter-wing machine than 18 months ago when his tenure began.

Posted by cs at May 5, 2006 11:17 PM

AL FRESCO or AL DENTE.

but AL KAIDA is a fiction. a nonentity that the bushits created to stir up fear among the populace. so as to stampede them into exhuming joe stalin and lavrenti beria and enthroning those totalitarian gangsters as the chief management officers of the united states of amerika.

i have said this before. and been banished from purportedly progressive boards for saying it. might make one wonder if certain boards aren't pseudopods of the secret state.

why do i introduce this vision again?

well, i attended the OFFSHORE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE in Houston, yesterday.

driving in from montgomery county, my driver used the hardy toll road. this toll road runs alongside the mopac trackage. i have mentioned it before. i care to mention it again. what kind of rail cars were idling in the roadbed? and what were the contents?

chemical cars, mostly. with these contents: lpg, gasoline, anhydrous ammonia, molten sulfur, butadiene, toluene. you name the hazardous chemical, the combustible chemical, there it was - sitting in the middle of the 4th largest city in the united states.

if there were any terrorists, they could drive down this highway with as weak-sister a weapon as an AR15, hole all these tank cars, and exterminate virtually all the citizens of houston. and this could be done in every urban area all over the usa.

you hear about port security. what about railway security? quite candidly, if there was really a terrorist threat, then all railways should be secured when these chemical freights move on them.

and then, of course, there are the natural gas and products pipelines. exquisitely vulnerable. so many citizens of the usa have such little understanding of the fragility of the infrastructure. that these fragile energy delivery assets go so unsecured tells me that the state knows that there is no terrorism other than the terrorism that it perpetrates.

arriving at reliant center for the OTC conference, i was carrying a briefcase containing some electrical components. components that if viewed by x-ray would have caused me to be taken into a room for more scrutiny.

consider....in this exhibition hall there were the managers, the suppliers of the world's energy industry. AND THERE WAS NO SCRUTINY OF ATTENDEES.

i had expected security similar to what is imposed on airline passengers. NADA!.

this is the eureka moment. when it is finally confirmed that there are no terrorists. that 11/09/01 had no terrorist actors. that it was all state-operated.

because, just consider. anyone could have entered that hall, with a case full of explosives, and exterminated the entirety of attendees...virtually eliminating all the individuals who make oil & gas production happen globally.

my guess is that security was as nonexistent at last years powergen show in las vegas.

no, amigos, when you think on it all, the events of 11/09/01 were a usa falseflag operation. agent provocateur ops. if they were real terrorist actions, chemical trains would have been suspended. trade shows involving the hydrocarbon industry would have imposed a level of security similar to that imposed on airline passengers.

we have been gulled. get out your firebrands. sharpen your scythes. it is time to march on the center of repression. of evil. it is an anti-state known as the district of columbia.

sic semper tyrannis.

Posted by albertchampion at May 5, 2006 11:36 PM

I too doubt, with Brian Boru, that Hayden will have to face hearings before the election. Bush will nominate him, the Senate will schedule lengthy hearings that extend over the summer recess, and then Bush will use a recess appointment to get Hayden in without confirmation - which will last until the new Congress convenes in Jan.

I hope the Dems go along with postponing the confirmation. No good can come from trying to ask hard questions and get true answers prior to the Nov. elections - the hard questions won't get asked, and surely not be answered. Hayden is already a likely perjurer before the Senate.

As to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Expect the worst and hope for something better. The new Congress must reign in the takeover of human intelligence DoD is trying to pull off under Rumsfeld.

As to Hayden being free of Cheney/Rumsfeld: it doesn't matter. The BushCo politburo controls all.

BTW: although WaPo seems to paint this firing as related just to the CIA mess, I think there's far more to the story related to Wilkes/Faggo and the Fornigate follies.

Posted by JimPortlandOR at May 5, 2006 11:46 PM

I always thought Goss was appointed just because his job was to dismantle the CIA (civilian side of the intelligence) from the inside therefore rendering more power to the military intelligence agencies and giving Rummy more power. In that regard, sounds like Goss performed his "job" appropriately but apparently the political baggage some of his underlings brought along with him made him disposable. In the mean time this has given Rummy another opportunity and consolidation of a power grab.

I agree with the commenter above that said that this will be a recess appointment in order to avoid any congressional hearings. That is the typical mo of these most corrupt, contemptuous, secretive,and power hungry megalomoniacs (Cheney and Rummy) who think that they are dictators and above any law or oversight...They don't need no stinkin laws or Congressional approval!

Posted by emal at May 6, 2006 07:14 AM

We don't know why Goss resigned. All we know is why he didn't. And that list is mighty impressive. Heckuva job Gossie

Posted by at May 6, 2006 07:31 AM

It's a page out of the Soviet politburo's book.

Posted by Christopher at May 6, 2006 07:46 AM

Well, it seems to me that this is the way to assert control over the "leak" investigations. Since the administration "leaks" are good leaks, and all other "leaks" bad leaks, what better way to assert control over leak investigations being conducted by the CIA than to control the CIA?

This is just another example of taking an agency that operates for the good of America and making it operate for the exclusive good of the neo-cons. That flushing sound you hear really is your security going down the shitter. I'm just trying to figure out how Brown and Root profit from this. That's the last dot to connect.

Posted by phidipides at May 6, 2006 07:52 AM

P-dippy, contracts for black ops.
The agency also has been drawn into a federal investigation of bribery that has sent former Rep. Randall "Duke" Cunningham to prison. Just this past week, the CIA confirmed that its third-ranking official, a hand-picked appointee of Mr. Goss, had attended poker games at a hospitality suite set up by a defense contractor implicated in the bribing of former Rep. Cunningham. Friday, people with knowledge of the continuing Cunningham inquiry said the CIA official, Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, is under federal criminal investigation in connection with awarding agency contracts.

Posted by iamcoyote at May 6, 2006 08:03 AM

Correction: Hayden is NOT the head of the NSA. He left that job to become principal deputy to the Director of National Intelligence. He already works for Negroponte. Indeed, he is the day-to-day manager of Negroponte's office. On paper at least, taking the CIA job would be a demotion.

Posted by wally at May 6, 2006 09:26 AM

"Bush is inept, and an incompetent manager, someone who would never have lasted in many major corporations or even in state government, let alone as leader of the free world."


Yet Bushco is the perfect CEO administration. His background is as a successful manager, wildly successful Governor, and adulated President. That he earned none of this is immaterial. His business is the destruction of organizations. At this he is wildly competent in both private and public sectors.
And we, American citizens, allowed him to achieve all this.
-- ml

Posted by Dum Luk's at May 6, 2006 09:48 AM

Thanks for catching that Wally; corrrection made.

Posted by Steve Soto at May 6, 2006 10:21 AM

Can Harvard made a big stink and revok his degree? That would be right up there with what Colbert did.

Posted by Zappatero at May 6, 2006 10:47 AM
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Posted by scout at May 6, 2006 10:53 AM

The circle closes and the Hindenberg soars.

For whatever reason that Goss is resigning, whether it be "power struggle" or "Hookergate", the powers of dictatorship continue to keep their acts pointed toward a total consolidation of power.

The Republic may be finished without even a whimper from the people. Sad.

Posted by JWP at May 6, 2006 12:47 PM

Bush couldn't run a fucking gas station on Route 66.

Posted by tempus at May 6, 2006 12:48 PM

As my colorful uncle used to say, if he was jerking off, he'd shit his pants before he came.

Posted by at May 6, 2006 07:41 PM
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