If Bush attacks Iran and/or Syria, and the fence is built, we, Americans, may be wishing we could get a visa to get past the fence after the world puts sancetions on us for using nukes and making aggressive war. Perhaps the fences should have a lot of exit doors looking south.
Posted by Would-be-world-traveller at May 17, 2006 01:29 PMWill the hundreds of miles of new fences and vehicle barriers be built by Halliburton?
Posted by jra at May 17, 2006 01:33 PM
Will the hundreds of miles of new fences and vehicle barriers be built by Halliburton?
Posted by jra at May 17, 2006 01:33 PM
I'm sure it will, with Mexican laborers!
We can't get them to build sufficient levies but they want to build a 350 mile fence!!!
Posted by asiseeit at May 17, 2006 01:58 PMSo when do they build the fence on the Canadian border?
Posted by goose1 at May 17, 2006 02:05 PMAbu Gonzales, the architect of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, admitted today that his grandparents were illegals.
Does this mean we can send him back for not prosecuting them???
Just saying................
Posted by Christopher at May 17, 2006 02:08 PMSteve - you forgot to mention all of the cowardly dems who voted for the fence. Only 16 senators voted against the fence. You think the dems will win the "brown" vote with this kind of cowardliness. Don't make me laugh. shameless cowards!
Posted by jj at May 17, 2006 02:31 PMSoto:
If Bush and Rove had rolled out a strong security-oriented bill right after 9/11, it would probably had gotten through, but it would have gone against the financial interests of Bush's real base, the corporate check-writers.
I won't disagree with you, Steve, but what you're doing is engaging in the same conspiracy of silence that most Congressional Democrats have decided on as a tactic to shift the burden of the question of immigration onto Republicans.
Insofar as Mexican immigration ---legal or otherwise--- is a problem for America, it was made intractable a long time ago by ethnopoliticians in California and Texas, most particularly. That is a burden of the sin fronteras crowd of liberals who wanted to balkanize the American Southwest.
You can't deny that. If American business wanted cheap labor from Mexico, American liberals wanted votes and cultural approval.
That's an absolute fact.
Posted by Toby Petzold at May 17, 2006 03:06 PMToby, I'll grant you that one, and buy the first round ...
Posted by Steve Soto at May 17, 2006 03:14 PMjj,
Could you kindly post the names of the 16 Dems who voted "Nyet" on the fence?
Thx.
Posted by Christopher at May 17, 2006 03:27 PMSteve - you forgot to mention all of the cowardly dems who voted for the fence. Only 16 senators voted against the fence. You think the dems will win the "brown" vote with this kind of cowardliness. Don't make me laugh. shameless cowards!
Posted by jj at May 17, 2006 02
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Cowardly??? Protecting our borders is cowardly?
God...no wonder the Dumbs re going to lose even more seats this yerar.
dip, How come the repigs do want to gaurd the Canadian border? The one where we actually caught a terrorist coming in.
Posted by goose1 at May 17, 2006 03:58 PMShould be "don't want to guard"
Posted by Goose1 at May 17, 2006 04:03 PMcomment deleted by host due to irrelevance to thread
Posted by dipshit at May 17, 2006 04:05 PMdip, How come the repigs do want to gaurd the Canadian border? The one where we actually caught a terrorist coming in.
Posted by goose1 at May 17, 2006 03:58 PM
*** WTF are you talking about, retard? There are civilian border patrols there...idiot!
Posted by dipshit at May 17, 2006 04:08 PMcomment deleted by host for irrelevance to thread
Posted by dipshit at May 17, 2006 04:14 PM
If the hair on the back of your head stands up like your German Shepherd's , then I suspect that you have some idea and knowledge of who is coming across the southern border other than people in search of a "better life"
dip, How come the repigs do want to gaurd the Canadian border? The one where we actually caught a terrorist coming in.
Posted by goose1 at May 17, 2006 03:58 PM
*** WTF are you talking about, retard? There are civilian border patrols there...idiot!
Posted by dipshit at May 17, 2006 04:08 PM
And they aren't at the Mexican border? How come the name calling I thought that was just the liberals that dso that?
Man, dipshit is awe inspiring in living up to his name.
Posted by j swift at May 17, 2006 04:28 PMI just went looking for the names of the Democratic Senators that voted for this outrage, just to make sure I never support them for anything ever again; however, I haven't been able to find the list of votes. Someone please provide a link to it; it's hard to find that particular evil doctrine amongst the countless other Jim Crow legislation listed there.
Funny thing about Fences: The work equally well at keeping people in as they do keeping people out. You micro-brained Conservative idiots might consider that.
Posted by Tampa Student at May 17, 2006 04:31 PMThanks Seven...
I actually had found it and was busy parsing out the Republicans. For the record, here are the Democrats that think it's a good idea to erect a damn fence (wall) along the Mexican Border.
Here, let me say that again: Here ARE THE NAMES OF THE DEMOCRATS THAT SUPPORT CLOSED, MILITARIZED BORDERS (at least with Mexico, probably with Canada as well)...
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)
I believe these fences will have to go through some designated wilderness areas, and roads will have to be built to "service" them, so we get to have some destruction of pristine south-west wilderness, as well as having an international symbol of racial and cultural hatred!
For Right Wingers it's a win-win!
And another great show of courage and principle from our beloved "opposition" party.
Posted by euzoius at May 17, 2006 04:56 PMcontracts will be awarded but acually building it is another question.
Posted by Goose1 at May 17, 2006 05:10 PMsomebody with energy please cross reference the list of Dems who voted for the Wall with the Dems who voted for the War in Iraq. I think you'll find a pretty close correlation.
These are "GOPERDEMS" ...the new 3rd Party comprised of politicians who'll vote for anything if they think it will help them keep their paychecks coming in. You will also find all the Dems who are typically portrayed as "attacking" the GOP and Bush. They are not....they are in fact GOPERDEMS. Absent from the list: Russ Feingold.
Due to the success of their 73 mile long British venture in 122 AD, Hadrian-Haliburton has been awarded the "No alien left behind fence".
Posted by TIKI AL at May 17, 2006 05:54 PMAnd who were the 16 who voted against the fence?
Only one Dem within 2000 miles of the border...(Bingaman-NM)
I wonder if we aren't getting distracted by the rhetoric... do you really think that the fence is solely to keep immigrants out?
What of keeping the rest of us 'Americans' in? Border closings seem to be significant among certain transitions in the type of government a nation has.
Are you not aware that the U.S. is slowly but surely transitioning into a police state? And that border closings are a necessary part of that transition?
Posted by Richard Harlos at May 17, 2006 07:44 PMTo me, the biggest suprises were Schumer, Feinstein and Salazar voting yea and Leiberman voting nay.
Reid, Boxer, Kerry and Clinton voting yea disgusts me also.
Posted by Seven of Six at May 17, 2006 07:54 PMSeven of Six,
Thanks for the link. I will be blogging about this in the morning.
In the meantime, a pox on the houses of Feinstein, Kerry, Boxer and Reid.
A COCKPUNCH to all of them.
Posted by Christopher at May 17, 2006 08:33 PMYou know, if it's like increasing veteran's benefits, it'll be unfunded.
Posted by phidipides at May 17, 2006 08:51 PMI won't disagree with you, Steve, but what you're doing is engaging in the same conspiracy of silence that most Congressional Democrats have decided on as a tactic to shift the burden of the question of immigration onto Republicans.
Posted by Toby Petzold at May 17, 2006 03:06 PM
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I'm afraid your point has little merit. What you fail to remember is that the GOP controls both houses and hence, the votes on any legislation. Of course, the minority party waits for a mistake on the part of the majority party and will capitalize on such a mistake. The Democrats have not "shifted the burden" as you claim, the burden already exists with the GOP as the majority party to introduce appropriate legislation. That's Politics 101. The fact that Soto wants to buy the first round for your misbegotten point, well, what can I say? Soto's a sucker.
Sorry, last comment was mine.
Posted by sf at May 17, 2006 10:24 PMWhat opposition party...?
Posted by yesyesyes at May 18, 2006 04:21 AMIn this time of war it's unpatriotic to be in opposition (sic)
Posted by jondee at May 18, 2006 08:15 PM