That was obvious then. If exit polls in any other nation's elections had shown the extreme differences that were seen in the 2004 elections, the US would have been the first to scream that those elections were fixed.
Posted by m at June 1, 2006 12:59 PMwhaddya mean the election was stolen?
is there anything we can do with Ohio one of the most corrupt, GOP led fiefdoms in the red usa?
the people of Ohio should be pissed off, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest there? or am I wrong?
this is real serious, and maybe we think this is in the past. It will be soon again in the past if we don't prevent it happening again in Nov. But you can bet it will based on what we know today
Posted by oldtree at June 1, 2006 01:09 PMHas possible election fraud now become taboo with the larger blogs?
In a word, yes. Like the "Dean scream," the claim of election fraud has been indelibly framed by our friendly corporate masters (media owners) as an instance of wacko leftism.
Posted by baked potato at June 1, 2006 01:10 PMHey, didn't Cornholio say something about exit polls? Hmm.
Seems to me, kos himself has ordered the deletion of BBV issues. Apparently, Kos doesn't allow "conspiracy theories" on the site anymore. Also, I think there was a falling out with Bev Harris, who supposedly went all whacko on people. It'll be interesting to see if this gets any play.
Posted by iamcoyote at June 1, 2006 01:35 PMWell, I guess the man has spoken then .... must be time for me to fall in line with the Kool Kids - not.
Posted by Steve Soto at June 1, 2006 01:39 PMThis comes as no surprise - within a couple of months of the election, people like Bev Harris were bringing forth evidence that something didn't seem right. It's been there all along. Even more frustrating, how is it that a company like Diebold is even allowed to be in business still. Thousands of people came forward after the election with stories that they pressed Kerry's names and were screaming out that the machine had registered a vote for Bush. I find this all so incredibly hard to even wrap my brain around. In Canada, we vote by placing an X beside the name. Seems to work just fine. Bush stole the 2000 election, he stole the 2004 election - the man and his stooges have not done one thing that is truthful. He lied about the box stuck in his jacket during the debates, he lied ... he lied ... he lied. I am a Canadian who lives in Canada and I am sick about it - how can Americans live with this man as their President (please, don't get me wrong - our Stephen Harper is GW's new best friend and we'll be in trouble if we allow him to stay in power).
Posted by jra at June 1, 2006 01:48 PMKos? He's selling himself to the man. Talking about vote verifiability and coordinated voter suppression activities makes him uncomfortable, just like women's issues and racism. He and the rest of the consultants he wants to join are convinced we just didn't want to win enough.
Too bad he lives in a subbie now, and not in a urban dictrict - he might see some voter intimidation when he next votes, and then he might belive the stories.
Posted by idiosynchronic at June 1, 2006 01:53 PMGreg Palast has already covered this in extensive detail, on talk shows like "Democracy Now" with Amy Goodman and even an hour-long special on FSTV. He said in 2000, there were 1 million votes not counted or discarded in FL, OH, and NM because of the lists Choicepoint that disqualified valid voters. And in 2004, that number had jumped to 2 million. He says in his new book, it will be more like 8 million voters.
I guess it always helps to have someone like kennedy pick up the cause, but Palast was there first.
Posted by A Reader at June 1, 2006 02:00 PMNot a blog, but rawstory.com is headlining it.
Posted by NealB at June 1, 2006 02:00 PMAmy Goodman interviewed an expert/professor from Stanford yesterday on DemocracyNow. Downloadable and available for listening.
Posted by A Reader at June 1, 2006 02:06 PMI posted the RFK story link on my blogsite at 12:41 Pacific time.
People For Progress
http://peopleforprogress.blogspot.com
as I posted earlier, until the Dem politicians screwed by the GOP vote cheating scams quit taking the "for the good of the country I won't constest this election" road and start raising Hell, there is absolutely no reason for the GOP and it's Media bretheren to curtail the cheating. The Dems have stood by and watched clear irregularities- make that cheating- cost them major elections (and therefore, cost the country 8 years of Bush) and raised nary a finger lest they be chastised by the Media. Just look at it - 2000-Jeb Bush, Gov., Kate Harris Sec.of State......and head of Elect Bush, run the FLA vote which Gore was winning big time in the exit polls. I'm gonna tell you that major league screaming was coming from the Texas Governor's mansion that night. Then in Ohio, again it was the Sec. of State - also Elect Bush head, who was in charge of the election. See a pattern? Find a super close important state, put your guy in charge of the election, and voila - you win! and the losers slink away only to appear years later and say they were screwed. I say- keep your eye on the red state with the closest House race which would tip the House to the Dems in 06- watch who is in charge of that State's elections and see if a magic 1.5% victory doesn't appear at the last second for the GOPer candidate, saving the House for the GOP.
Posted by T2 at June 1, 2006 02:25 PMApparently blogger was down a while so folks are catching up. Digby's got a post on this, and also on Canada's buying the Diebold machines. Sorry, jra.
Posted by iamcoyote at June 1, 2006 02:46 PMSeems to me, kos himself has ordered the deletion of BBV issues. Apparently, Kos doesn't allow "conspiracy theories" on the site anymore
This is no "conspiracy theory." Phones were jammed, names were purged from voter lists, elderly black voters in Orlando were intimated by state investigators for voter fraud (per order of Jeb Bush). The Rs have already proven that they are willing to do ANYTHING in order to win.
This is business as usual for the Republican party. Sadly, for the most part, our press corps seems to accept these dirty tricks as political strategies instead of crimes.
I'd love to see the lefty blogs take off with this story now - to alert the press and the voters of previous voter fraud - to insist on clean elections 5 months from now.
It's a great article - thanks for posting it!!
Anon, of course this isn't a conspiracy theory, which is why there was so much strife and meta-diaries at kos about a year ago. Lots of hard feelings, I heard. I don't stick around for the pie fights. Too meta for me!
Posted by iamcoyote at June 1, 2006 03:04 PMWhy weren't the Ohio voters pissed about the electoral reform questions that were on the ballot last November that went down to defeat by the numbers all the polls said they would pass by? How come they weren't in the fucking streets?
Posted by angryspittle at June 1, 2006 03:12 PM"Why weren't the Ohio voters pissed..."
Most Americans have no idea as to how the power of the Bush&Co can be thwarted. Many Ohio voters may be pissed, but most cannot comprehend the fact that the "democracy" has been stolen.
Bush&Co know they are impregnable because they now control the courts, the only possible avenue by which anyone can challenge and election. The impotency of the courts to police the election was one of the glaring points in Kennedy's article.
The electronic machines have absolutely no integirty or reliability and neither do the results anymore. Results can just be set by those in control of the machines.
Posted by Nobody at June 1, 2006 03:25 PMRolling Stone won't let it sit, they LIKE getting their teeth into stuff. Best to remember during trying times such as these that with the Bush Admin there's literally SO MUCH SHIT going on that ya hafta get in line. It's only been 4 hours and Keith hasn't come on yet. John Stewart's on vacation. And besides, there's Wayne Madsen lurking in the halls of the Mayflower checking out Laura's new residence. Thanks for putting it up Steve.
Posted by mainsailset at June 1, 2006 03:26 PMStory is just starting to get picked up. FDL on it, Digby, Huffpo, Truthout all getting into it. But it may need to have its wheels greased.
Posted by mainsailset at June 1, 2006 03:43 PMI don't buy that all the top bloggers are consciously avoiding this. My guess is they're reading and re-reading the article to seek an angle to write about it that adds to the discussion instead of simply parroting it.
Haste is the province of MSM reporters, trying to get the breaking news first. Especially with a story long reported by guys like Palast, bloggers who cull the new from the old can find it a time consuming process.
Written by a Dem in a lefty publication, the question to me is whether this will gain more traction in MSM publications and in the general population.
The second question is what can be done, practically, even if the public's convinced? My best guess here is it can impact 2006 elections in the states where the fraud occurred, especially Ohio and Florida.
Posted by Kevin Hayden at June 1, 2006 03:44 PMI actually find the exit poll discrepancy to be very unconvincing evidence that the election was stolen. The polls were outside the margin of error in about 40 states, almost always in favor of the GOP. That means either A) there were simultaneous GOP conspiracies in about 35 states, when we have evidence of such from very few or B) there was systematic error in the exit poll methodology. My theory is that the exit polls were wrong because alot of Bush supporters were embarrassed for having voted for him (since he was widely ridiculed for incompetence and failure even back then) and thus didn't tell the pollsters who they voted for.
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at June 1, 2006 03:47 PMTo me it's all an eerie replay of 2000. I went nuts after that election--we lost the country right then. The routine (I found out) electoral fraud was supplemented by blatant theft from the judicial branch.
Florida was glaringly more of a theft on a thermonuclear scale, yet there was nothing to combat it--nothing.
Jesus, for a freaking long time our Chief Justice started out his career as a vote-obstructionist, supressing voters. The GOP has been doing it a long, long time.
You know, I'd really like to know the story of how Bev Harris got on the crank list. Up to the election she was always treated as this heroine who did incredible work, and then all of a sudden she was a crank. What happened?
Posted by paradox at June 1, 2006 03:49 PMAny analysis of the 2004 Election that doesn't take into account Ohio's outdated and illiberal voting laws simply isn't complete.
It's also true that Democrats are far less organized as voting blocs than Republicans. They are overrepresented by uneducated minority groups who do not vote as reliably as the Leftist elites might imagine.
Posted by Toby Petzold at June 1, 2006 03:54 PMPeople aren't in the streets because they don't know about it. The MSM will never tell them either. The moment in history has come. We can take to the streets of America and demand fair elections, and demand Bush be impeached or step down along with Cheney, or we can shut the fuck-up, stop complaining and take what comes our way. If the Mexicans can do it, why in the hell can't we.
Posted by Judith at June 1, 2006 03:54 PMJudith, we are Mexicans.
Posted by Toby Petzold at June 1, 2006 03:57 PMAnon, of course this isn't a conspiracy theory, which is why there was so much strife and meta-diaries at kos about a year ago. Lots of hard feelings, I heard. I don't stick around for the pie fights. Too meta for me!
iamcoyote,
that was me - anon at 2:47.
Yes, I, too, try to stay away from pie fights on blogs -I agree they're way, way too meta!!
The electronic machines have absolutely no integirty or reliability and neither do the results anymore. Results can just be set by those in control of the machines.
Nobody,
I live in the third largest city in New England and we vote on a paper ballot with a black marking pen attached to a string. It takes a while to count the votes, but I wouldn't want it any other way.
Who cares about the center-left bloggers? They mostly preach to the converted. I saw all of this being reported on the blogs on election day and in the aftermath.
The problem is: If the MSM doesn't pick this up, Joe six-pack will never know about it, much less care. Perhaps the fact that a big name like Bobby Kennedy Jr. got this published in a major magazine will help the story get legs, but to "bubba" RFK Jr. a whacko liberal and that Rolling Stone is a counter-culture hippy magazine that should be burned. It deals with a lot of "fuzzy math" and Jim-Bob don't know him much 'bout s'tistics.
This will probably all get swept under the rug in a couple of news cycles and every one can move on...nothing to see here. If it is still being talked about after 3 days, it may gain enough critical mass to be a major issue.
I'm afraid we're just beating our heads against the wall again.
If someone exposes a conspiracy in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does he make a sound?
Posted by The Spoiler at June 1, 2006 04:07 PMThis has all been reported before. blackboxvoting and other sites have conclusive evidence the machines can easily be fixed on a local and statewide basis.
The reality that we have a dial-a-vote election system will never gain its feet in the MSM until we get some Republican squaling to avoid jail or worse or we finally get some insider with a conscience or a grudge to blow the whistle.
Sooner or later, money or sex will speak and the methodology and the orgainzation will come to light--unless its already too late for the republic.
Posted by Nobody at June 1, 2006 04:17 PMMy guess is they're reading and re-reading the article to seek an angle to write about it that adds to the discussion instead of simply parroting it.
So leave it to the D-Listers like me then. I've got an angle that may be interesting. I belong to a group in Bucks County PA, which advocates for Voter-Verified Paper Ballots. We're suing the Commonwealth over certification standards. We've got Mark Crispin Miller coming to town this Saturday, June 3rd. We need donations, no matter how small, even if you can't make it to the event.
Our lawsuit (explained here) has national implications but we need the funds to pursue it. Helping us to get another state in the VVPB column is helping to stop the creep of electronic voting. After we get national VVPB legislation, we move for proper audits. It's a long battle ahead, which is why we need all the support you can give us.
Posted by eRobin at June 1, 2006 04:20 PMLeftydem,
You are very fortunate to live in a paper ballot state. I live in Cathy Diebold Cox's Georgia where all of our machines are the ultra-hackable Diebold TX machines. We're screwed unless a fink comes forward, spills the beans, and lives long enought to get attention.
On exit polls: Don't expect to see them any more unless someone with deep pockets starts commissioning them. The networks have said that they won't do them in '06 and '08.
Other things on the chopping block: voter-verified paper poll books. Polling places.
The government/industrial dream is to have us all "voting" with our drivers licenses in kiosks in malls.
The plan is terrifying if you care anything about your vote getting counted.
Posted by eRobin at June 1, 2006 04:25 PMIt's nice that this issue - perhaps the most critical in our time - is now getting some exposure. But why Bobby Kennedy and why now?
I was most disappointed in Kerry just after the election (and the feeling lingers until today). The guy who was "going to fight for every last vote" folded like wet cardboard. And I've never heard a satisfactory explanation from him.
The idea that Kerry's now collecting information to confront the swift boaters is laughable and sad at the same time.
John, we were all counting on you ... two years ago.
Posted by Jim Faith at June 1, 2006 04:31 PMWhen Kerry folded like wet cardboard, I pictured a horse's head in his bed.
Since the 'pukes are wiretapping everyone and now going after the journalists, I believe I'm right.
That's why I really hope Al Gore will jump in. What the hell would they have on him? That he's "stiff" and intelligent- not slouchy and stupid like George?. OOOOO, scary.
Al Gore 2008!
Paradox, I remember Bev from when bbv was just a blog cub, and from day one, there was a bit of melodramatic paranoia and combativeness from her followers. She totally and methodically got the goods on Diebold, though; got the original code from the machines and a bunch of geeks analyzed it and found the method of dropping or changing votes. Apparently her personality was abrasive then and is moreso now from what I'm told by a piefight observer. Again, Kos or Armando, added fuel to the fire by unofficially declaring the "stolen Ohio election" a conspiracy theory. Those had previously been dubbed taboo to discourage the "9-11 was planned by Bush" gourd followers, to the consternation of many.
Then, it descended into a soap opera once more, with people cyber-stomping away in disgust and starting up anti-Kos blogs that thumb their noses at the orange thing. I turned the channel after that, so I don't know how it ended. I'm more into action flicks, myself.
I'm with Jim, I don't care who's bringing this up now or why, because I'm just glad it's going to get attention. People really are starting to get the message that this next election is pretty important.
Posted by iamcoyote at June 1, 2006 04:54 PMWhat's important here is that we can help make sure Ken Blackwell never holds elective office in Ohio again, starting this fall.
Posted by Joseph at June 1, 2006 04:57 PMThis is only the latest example.
Remember the Butterfly Ballot, and Jews for Buchanan in Palm Beach?
Theresa LaPore was behind that one — in the 1980’s, she worked as a flight attendant on the private plane of Adnan Khashoggi, the Bush Family Arms Merchant during Iran-Contra. The Crime Family that plans ahead, gets ahead.
The ballots in Jacksonville, Duval County, were deliberately misleading — some 20,000 of them were spoiled. African Americans for Gore? Not if Jeb Bush had any say in it.
The vote count in Florida? If all the ballots had been counted, including the overvotes with Al Gore written in and checked on the preprinted portion, Al Gore had 40,000 more votes than George Bush. But the Right Wing SCOTUS put a stop to that.
The illegal false felon list purging of the voter roles, first reported by Greg Palast? Bob Fertik of Democrats.com introduced Paul Lukasiak and I, and we were researching the back story in the spring and summer of 2001 — until the 9/11 unpleasantness changed everything.
Paul was working on what happened between 1998 (when the enabling legislation was passed) and the implementation in 2000. I worked on the Texas origins of the conspiracy — it was a Karl Rove scheme, unsuccessfully tried in 1982 for another Texas Governor.
http://www.democrats.com/blueprint
BradBlog has carried the story from day one /Yr 2000 it seems. If you want to know about developments in voting fraud and electronic voting failures, that site leads. Bev Harris often engages in posting and counter-posting with critics and trolls.
I am pleased that higher profile celebrities are coming around and speaking out. A Kennedy name on the commentary gets much needed attention. I like others am astounded by the failure of "regular" media types to engage in a proper airing of the issue, or a serious investigation of it. And they are going to look down their noses at "celebrity" journalism too---it's inevitable. I will be interested in the reaction of the "regular" media --to see how much effort they put into marginalizing the Kennedy piece or Freeman's forthcoming book.
Posted by gtash at June 1, 2006 05:43 PMJoseph, I heard an interview with Blackwell tonight on NPR. What slime. Distortion is his main strong point.
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[Editor: ignore=off]Brad's reporting tonight that Kennedy isn't done with this issue yet, this is just phase I. RS hits the stores tomorrow with alot of fanfare for the 1,000 issue, come on take heart, the charts show Dixie Chicks #1, Young #2 & Springsteen #3 - it's just taking awhile for Americans to come out of their foxholes, after all it was just last month that GM announced it was discontinuing the Hummers. And you thought sales were down because of gas prices, NAAAAAHHH, America's getting her spine back and the protective shell of a Hummer is getting thrown out the window ... come on, we got ourselves a fight here!
Posted by mainsailset at June 1, 2006 07:15 PMKeep replaying the 2000 and 2004 elections folks. It will doom you to failure in 2008.
Beyond assertations, does Mr. K have proof? Perhaps Mr. K., like most of you folks cannot accept the fact that the voters rejected your "progressive ideas" and, not being able to face this reality, must continue to promote the idea that the election(s) were stolen.
Posted by Bagley at June 1, 2006 07:22 PMBendito has found a bright spot in a hard place (how's that for mixed metaphors? :) in that dubya'a ineligability for futher election actually matters. At least on a structural level.
Posted by herbal tee at June 1, 2006 08:20 PMYou know, having thought on this and why the MSM has never reported, why Dem candidates have walked away from the issue, I can only discern that the issue is much, much greater than GWB or Cheney or any of them.
It's all about concentrating the power in the hands of the aristocracy, whether Republican or Democrat.
It's about creating an underclass who will always be willing to sell their souls to fight the wars because they have no other choice. It's about creating a preoccupied middle class who is more interested in material possessions and celebrity. It's about destroying the principles that our country was founded on and changing those principles to financially benefit the few. We are all pawns. None of us matter, not Bagley, not Bendito, even if you agree with the power elite, they won't let you join the club. We are just to be used for their gain.
Posted by ann at June 1, 2006 08:46 PMck, yes, you guys really did get the goods on the 2000 election. I'm still impressed with the investigative work you did.
Why weren't the Ohio voters pissed about the electoral reform questions that were on the ballot last November that went down to defeat by the numbers all the polls said they would pass by?
Election fraud is something people don't like to think about. They go into the booth and so do a bunch of their neighbors. If you voted for Kerry and the final tallies said that Bush won by 53% in your district, what do you do? Go ask your neighbors who they voted for? All you know is your own story. It makes it very easy to keep this all underground. That's why it's extremely important to have some specific checks to make sure that fraud can be caught and the Ohio elections disabled almost everyone of those. If the checks don't work, then it comes down to individual stories of individual problems and a sinking feeling that you don't really know who your neighbors are.
Posted by Mary at June 1, 2006 09:49 PMMainsailset: Yea I saw that same thing about Laura Bush moving out because of hubby had an affair with Condi! Did she found them together! When they were the 3 of them in Brussels, Laura was sent a day earlier to Germany while the 2 of them were alone. When I plug the story line, I got that the reason was that he was drinking again!!!!!. Poor baby, you know low number, I guess it could be both.
Wayne Madsen has seems to have good connection as well as been right many time.
Lou Dobbs tonight ended without his regular polls and ask all of us to tell him what we think?
He said that every E-mail will be read and classified. He is a better newsman that anyone on his network and at least stand for something he care about unlike Faux news. We should all send our message to him.
We can take to the streets of America and demand fair elections, and demand Bush be impeached or step down along with Cheney, or we can shut the fuck-up, stop complaining and take what comes our way.
Judith,
You are absolutely right. All this complaining and no action! We continue spending our money with the forces behind this nigthmare.
Posted by smooth at June 1, 2006 11:13 PMPersonally I've had it up to here with the overly complacent "center left". The American center left is the center in most of the rest of world and always strike me as one tax-bracket away from becoming rethugs. A word that has fallen out of use but whose time has come again: bourgeois, comes to mind. Kos, with his safe little ooo-that-Bush-is-just-a-little-too-conservative-for-me style sounds most the time like he can bearly contain his giddiness at the thought of being bedded and embedded. Fuck him.
Posted by jondee at June 1, 2006 11:40 PMIm with Ann. The watered down complacency of the Dems is about sheer class interest. They know that Dubya is looking out for them even as they make tepid protests about tax-breaks for the wealthy and offshore shelters and the occasional very oblique reference to funny goings-on on K-Street. They get patronage, private sector jobs, and assorted other sweet deals from the same people the repos do and of course their lives can be made a living hell if they become any kind of serious threat to the staus quo.
Posted by jondee at June 2, 2006 12:14 AMIf a president was placed in office through a conspiracy to commit election fraud, that would be an impeachable offense.
Add it to the laundry list, for all the good it will do.
Posted by euzoius at June 2, 2006 05:36 AMHow did Bev Harris go whacko on anyone ? iamcoyote-slip some details if you would please....It has been mentioned that a crucial part of the telco net takeover was to spread some cash to the center-left blogosphere to buy some support and it is well-documented that the center-left's spokespeople were on board.
How far of a stretch is it to suspect that other issues are being *massaged by money* ?
I know, I know..."stop whining and choose a side: the center or the right" !
Posted by self at June 2, 2006 09:24 AMSteve,
The so-called "A-list center-left blogs" won't touch it because they're worried about their bottom lines.
They sell T-shirts, and coffee mugs, and mousepads and they're afraid covering such a scorching-hot article might be unpopular.
I won't name names, but I think most people are savvy enough to know whom I'm referring to. Can't violate the blogosphere code of honor or risk getting flamed by an angry queen.
It's alot like the "A blogs" refusing to cover the genicide in post-Saddam Iraq against gay Iraqis at the hands of the police.
I've been blogging about this for months and months, but the "A" crowd won't mention it.
Consider the source.
Posted by Christopher at June 2, 2006 10:08 AMAs everyone else calling for action and not just more talk, I wonder what we can really do. They've been practicing crowd control and illegal detentions for years. Remember the crowds swept off the streets and penned in horrendeous cesspools at the docks during the Republican "Convention"?
Haliburton has almost finished their no-bid contracts to convert old military bases and other, charming vacation spots into "detention centers" for the big bad illegal aliens. I wonder if there's room for 12 million? And I was most especially alarmed during the Katrina incident when Bush finally flooded the streets with thousands of troops recently returned from brutal, senseless combat in a country where the only things the soldiers are allowed to hear are Rush Limbaugh and Fox "News". The airwaves, and no doubt, private briefings, were filled with fantastic tales of sub-human (mostly dark skinned) gangs shooting up the streets and rapin', lootin' and shooting at cops. It's a wonder all those itchy trigger fingers weren't scratched in those chaotic days and nights.
As some of the facts mentioned above would indicate, these cretins plan ahead. I'm not saying we should be afraid to demonstrate and demand justice, just that we need to be aware of the stakes and the history of this criminal cabal.
For me, I'd love to see a new version of the Boston tea party. Sometime shortly before the election, I'd be happy to see all of the DRE, paperless voting machines taken out of storage and thrown into a nearby body of water. If they didn't use it as an excuse to cancel elections, perhaps permanently, it would be a good way to force elections to use good old paper ballots and markers. At least we would show the world that we're not ALL thoughtless idiots. How about a rainbow revolution?
Posted by DeminNewJ at June 2, 2006 12:11 PMAnn's right . Jeff Faux's book "Global Class War" gives lots of documentation to back up the point Ann makes .
Posted by G at June 2, 2006 12:20 PMI blogged it when I was out of jet-lag, but then I'm only second-tier.
I agree, the others should be covering it. Jerks.
(And your comment thingy won't accept my .uk URL.)
Posted by Avedon at June 2, 2006 07:12 PMThe Republican Party is now officially a member of the "Axis of Evil."
But they're Christian, you might proclaim? Don't make me laugh.
The Republican Party is the most vile and corrupt party in American history. They are greedy, soulless warmongers, who have a date with hell. They lie, they cheat, they steal...and then wrap themselves in both the American flag and Jesus Christ to try to cover-up their vileness and corruption.
Jesus had a word for the members of the Republican Party "Axis of Evil": thieves. Stealers of liberty, stealers of truth, stealers of peace, stealers of the flag, stealers of the body of Jesus Christ, the Republican Party can either repent, and truthfully reveal all that they have done, or end up in hell. It's their choice.
Posted by The Oracle at June 2, 2006 09:47 PMs/b: gonocide. Sorry.
Posted by Christopher at June 3, 2006 06:10 AM