If reationary rightists could think for themselves and not just spout Bushco talking points, their bedwetting fears should've long ago focused on actual nuclear power Pakistan, which has plenty of actual al Qaeda and Taliban supporters, unlike Iran, which has none.
We'll see what their Glorious Leader tells them to think/spout today.
Posted by euzoius at August 10, 2006 08:57 AMBush says UK arrests are a "...stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists".
Not quite Islamo-fascists. But close.
Posted by snark at August 10, 2006 09:06 AMThis is what happens when Progressive's win elections, we have a complete breakdown of the neo-con agenda!
Gotta catch those Lamont insurgents over in Great Britain you know!
I just heard bush say in Green Bay, Wisconsin, that it is a mistake to think that America is no longer a target. WTF???
Is this some convoluted way to counter an imaginary statement presumably from the dems who are soft on terror? Of course nobody thinks we are not a target. Because of bush we are a bigger target than ever.
That statement was a threat to our intelligence.
Posted by TIKI AL at August 10, 2006 09:14 AMIf this is legitimate, Larry Johnson thinks it's highly hyped, it is a good example of how the war on terror should be a police action not a military one.
Posted by Ron In Portland at August 10, 2006 09:15 AMWhat a showstopping reminder to the "al Qeada types" in Connecticut who rejected Holy Joe and embraced Ned Lamont, which party is better on fighting the "wur own turrism."
Posted by Christopher at August 10, 2006 09:16 AMour government appears to be everyone's worst enemy
time to go
reallyready.com does not exist.
You are wrong about this site.
It's called Reallyready.org.
Posted by snark at August 10, 2006 09:37 AMFew visages are as frightening early in the morning, before the sun is fully up, than Michael "Zombie" Chertoff on CNBC warbling away about something.
I swear to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that the Bush administration keeps him alive via necromancy especially for events like this.
What a scary looking bastard.
Posted by Christopher at August 10, 2006 10:00 AMSoto said:
...Chertoff says that there is no indication that the plot involved attacks within the United States, which immediately makes me suspect the opposite....
Exactly. Terrorists in Miami caught! Or nuclear terrorist Jose Padilla apprehended, tried and convicted! Great, but were they really terrorists? Nah, not really. A bunch of loons, at worst, even wannabes, but not the real deal.
Britain on the other hand manages to finally foil a real plot, that clearly affects the U.S. Was it a close call? Maybe, maybe not. But now Homeland Security says it's no problem, we don't think we were directly targeted. And yet, Jose Padilla was convicted as a dangerous terrorist instead of the loser nutjob he really is.
Yeah, it raises my hackles, too. I start thinking: If they say up is down, does that mean down is actually up? Who can tell?
That's a huge problem for all of us, this administration has NO credibility. We don't know when they're spinning,lying, lying to themselves, or telling the truth. Scarily, I don't think they know, either.
Posted by Brian Bell at August 10, 2006 10:14 AMThe Islamists and the Neocons all need to burn, preferably alive.
Posted by God Of War at August 10, 2006 10:49 AMI can't help but remember the night of Kerry's 2004 acceptance speech at the convention. The Blackeyed Peas rocked the place with 'Let's Get it Started,' spirits were high and boom ... terror in the NY financial district.
Wasn't it just yesterday that rove called joe and sadi something to the effect 'the boss wants to help, we'll do whatever we can.'
There are no coincidences with these thugs.
Posted by Jim Faith at August 10, 2006 11:00 AMThere are no coincidences with these thugs.
Posted by Jim Faith at August 10, 2006 11:00 AM
*****
If so, the shiteaters are a day late and a dollar short.
Posted by God Of War at August 10, 2006 11:05 AMThe other day I was watching on C-SPAN a symposium on the anniversary of the nuclear bombing of Nagasaki. One of the speakers was a woman from an NGO in Iran discussing the viewpoint of the Arab world on the US's nuclear sabre rattling directed at Iran and its support of Israel in the current proxy war with Lebanon and Hezbo'allah. An interesting point that she made is that the US willingly provides nuclear technology and material support to the three Middle Eastern countries that are NOT signatories to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which do have active nuclear weapons programs - Israel, Pakistan and India. Yet the Bushmeat Administration gets its jockies in a knot (those were not her words) about Iran, which has not violated any aspect of the NPT to which it IS a signatory. More Orwellian doublethink from the neo-cons, which is not going unnoticed in the greater Arabic community. (:>
Posted by Donald Cormac at August 10, 2006 11:53 AMYou can bet the Arab people have also noticed the level of support Bushco gave to the two newest Arab democratic governments in Lebanon and the Palestinian Authority.
They know Bushco's "Democratic Crusade" is just more doubletalk and scammery.
Posted by euzoius at August 10, 2006 12:17 PMApparently, ABC breathlessly reported this morning, as an incidental point showing bush's resolute leaderness, that blair and bush had discussed this matter this weekend. Which explains why chertoff and his fellow jackals (I'm talkin bout you Abu, I saw you hiding behind chertoff's shoulder, punk) were so prepared to try to claim credit for something they had NOTHING to do with.
Up is not down with these freaks, it's purple.
Posted by Duckman GR at August 10, 2006 12:19 PMDuckman, it would explain why Cheney tried to link Lieberman's ouster with emboldening terrorists. These guys are frikkin' shameless and dangerous.
Posted by iamcoyote at August 10, 2006 12:34 PMPervez Musharraf is probably the best government for Pakistan that we could hope for. Seriously.
Posted by dj moonbat at August 10, 2006 01:07 PMOne thing you need to notice here...
The Brits get their folks... The subway bombers, these wackos... Umm OBL is in Afgan and making more videos than Brittney Spears, and with all of our technology, we can't seem to get him... WTF? Oh I'm sorry, there busy tapping the phones over here to free up coaxial cable over there.
Our present gov't is a joke. GWB is the MOST HATED PRESIDENT EVER. And you apologists can't get your heads out of your collective asses to see the demise of our wonderful country due to the fubar policy of the repubs and all of their ilk.. Trolls a response? Can you give me something besides its all Clinton's fault? S..t, even bj Bill can travel the world without worry. Can GWB say the same? How bout Rove, Rumsfield, or Cheney? Nope, didn't think so...
The thing about governing in a bubble, is that it has to pop sometime...
You reap what you sow Repubs, and our country's ridicule is tied directly to your f__king feet.
---Anthony
Posted by anthony at August 10, 2006 01:11 PMThanks for commenting on the big news of the day, the disrupted terror plot. By contrast, neither dailykos.com nor Atrios mentions it at all, as of this writing. The left cannot be silent about such threats. While anti-Iraq war sentiment should lead to Democrat gains in the House and Senate in 2006, it is essential for 2008 and beyond that the left be clear on the importance of security against terrorists. Differences in how the left conducts its pursuit of terrorists cannot be allowed to lead the public into thinking that the differences translate into less security.
Posted by Tony at August 10, 2006 01:30 PM"Today's news is an urgent reminder that we must make America safer and the world more stable,” Pelosi said in a prepared statement. "We must implement the strong recommendations of the independent 9/11 Commission to improve airport security screening at checkpoints."
Seems prudent to me. Now, why would BushCo continue to stonewall on implementing the recommentations of the 9/11 Commission?
Posted by ann at August 10, 2006 01:43 PMTony, there are several good diaries on Kos about this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/10/131813/189
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/10/10434/6484
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/10/113112/691
among many others. Just check the recommended and recent diary lists.
Posted by ann at August 10, 2006 01:48 PMHey, Tony, are you familiar with dKos or Eschaton? Or even "the Left?" Or the blogosphere? Your comments indicate you aren't. People who come in to other people's blogs and tell them what to write about are considered trolls.
As ann has pointed out, there are several diaries on dKos talking about the UK story; and from what I understand, Atrios was travelling the last couple days. If I thought you were sincere, and not just a troll pretending to care about "the Left's" chances in 2008, I would direct you to the several Atrios responses to people who write in and ask "why aren't you writing about this story??"
Differences in how the left conducts its pursuit of terrorists cannot be allowed to lead the public into thinking that the differences translate into less security.
"The Left" doesn't pursue terrorists, as far as I know, the government does, though it appears to be doing a damn shitty job of it right now. How our opinions affect national security policy, I don't know, but you seem to have no clue as to what blogs are really about, and should learn before making outrageous demands of them. I didn't even know "the public" was in here reading the blogs.
Hi public! Really! We're better on national security, see? We've been talking about the news today and bad ol' Kos and Atrios haven't!
Posted by iamcoyote at August 10, 2006 02:13 PMAre the Public here again? They come over, stay way too late and leave the place in a mess. Crap! When they ring the doorbell act like we aren't home. If they come in here they'll start talking about how good they have it now, how good things went after Katrina, how they all got tax breaks when God knows they didn't, and how they are much more secure regardless of how can you be so fucking secure and safer if you have to have all of these alerts...blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
Thanks for commenting on the big news of the day, the disrupted terror plot.
You think it's going to be like that Canadian Terra plot that seems to have been instigated by their own police? You know, entrapment? Think it'll be like that? Huh? Do ya? I feel so safe now.
Posted by phidipides at August 10, 2006 02:29 PMP-dip, I'd like to know which public spilt the MaiTai in the hottub. Bastards!
Posted by iamcoyote at August 10, 2006 02:31 PMWell it does seem like this was a relatively serious threat. Although the authorities have apparently had the guys under surveillence since December so it seems they let the thing develop long enough to gather in as many of the actors as possible. Someone raised a good point about the fact that if they've been watching these guys so long one would assume that they new the nature of the threat. If that's the case why wasn't airport security tightened earlier. I suppose if they got info that plane tickets had been purchased they could be thrown into a bit of a panic. Which we saw today. They couldn't assume anyone was gonna do a 'dry run'. I have my doubts about the dry run thing also. Why do a dry run? If you get caught in the dry run the jig is up anyway. Might as well just take your chances on the real thing.
Still a lot of questions but I imagine we'll get some answers when things start to settle down.
Seems like good work by all involved at this point. A lot of lives saved.
Posted by snark at August 10, 2006 05:05 PMThis political correctness fetish is proving to be the death of us. The current red alert flight security measures are completely useless. Worrying about shampoo, shaving cream, baby formula, medicines and making everyone wait 5 hours or more doesn't do a thing to prevent dedicated Islamic terrorists from smuggling explosives components on board planes. They'll simply secrete them in body cavities, etc.
There is one simple countermeasure which is fast and 100% effective. Make anybody boarding a flight spit on a picture of Mohammed.
Posted by Anonymous at August 10, 2006 06:43 PMNaw, Anon, I say lets not do anything and only let people on the planes that refuse to spit on a picture of Bush. (roll eyes)
Can someone tell me if OBL matters again? yet?
Posted by j swift at August 10, 2006 06:51 PMLast evening, phidpides posted
"Hell, I choose to look foolish."
And she/he did a very good job.
I did think that this posting pretty much summed up the Leftist (lunatic) rantings here at TLC.
But I was wrong.
Reading this thread (e.g. "There are no coincidences with these thugs.") I have come to the conclusion that it is not a choice on the part of Leftists (a choice to look foolish), you folks are absolutely, positively f**k**g insane.
Good night....best of luck with those fevered dreams.
Posted by Bagley at August 10, 2006 06:53 PMteabagger, you're so lame, it's not even fun to laugh at you anymore. Therefore, you're really of no use to me. I'd thumb my nose at you, but it's not worth the effort.
Posted by iamcoyote at August 10, 2006 07:13 PMThe Brits had an infiltrator on the inside.
Humintel.
The best kind. That guy deserves a medal.
Posted by snark at August 10, 2006 07:23 PMNote that the suspects are all homegrown in Britain with ties to George W. Bush’s favorite partner in the war on terror, Pakistan,
Yep and yet that idiot provacateur Tucker Carlson was on the air tonight asking Frances Townsend if she could confirm the rumor he heard that one of the conspirators is Iranian.
Posted by eRobin at August 10, 2006 08:23 PMsnark: just so the infiltrator wasn't the ringleader.
Posted by TIKI AL at August 10, 2006 09:09 PMrabbi chertoff, i think.
this sty is complete and utter bullshit.
the usage of liquids as explosive devices by terrorists[sic] has been recognized for more than a decade, i think.
but surprisingly enough, within the last several years, the faa allowed passengers to carry beverages on board.
this astonished me.
the best evidence that all these terror plots are orchestrated by governments intent on imposing their will on the citizenry, is the reality of customs' shops selling everclear[other inflammables] after security is cleared. for international flights, these inflammables are delivered to the passengers as they enter the plane.
i ask, has this practice been discontinued as of today?
the future for commercial airline travel....you fly naked with no carry-ons, no checked luggage. happening soon.
the death of commercial air transport.
countries turned into internment camps. no escaping them.
my advice, acquire a large boat.
from the north amerikan camp.
Posted by albertchampion at August 10, 2006 09:34 PMWhat I don't understand, is why were there no pictures of them capturing said terrorists? Where are their pictures?
I don't believe anything coming from the Blair or our Government. Connect the dots. No colored coded alerts, until now. Color coded alerts are always reserved for the period of time leading up to an election. It would be too blatant to have an American alert, so now it comes from the UK, against American flights to the US. I'm telling you, all bets are off. Don't believe anything between now and the elections. Remember one thing, and one thing only, they cannot afford to not be in control after November.
Posted by Judith at August 10, 2006 09:44 PMBy-the-way, after Lamont's victory, the terrorsts story comes out, and the MSM's attention is diverted away from talking about Lamont's victory and it's potential implications. Ummmm
Posted by Judith at August 10, 2006 10:12 PMSeems like good work by all involved at this point. A lot of lives saved.
the usage of liquids as explosive devices by terrorists[sic] has been recognized for more than a decade, i think.
And this is the issue: They knew for years and left us unsafe. Why can't Bush make us safe? Why don't they care? They only make you think you are safe, but with them in charge you are not.
"Hell, I choose to look foolish."
Indeed! Why can't you guys make us safe? Why didn't ypu go after OBL. What is the problem? Why are you so foolish with our lives?
Posted by phidipides at August 10, 2006 10:16 PM
Well, it appears that Islamist terror is not limited against only Israel (the present war started by the Hisb'Allah in Lebanon) and the U.S. (9/11).
The world is waking up to the notion that the fanatic Islamists want to replace the regime in every country with an Islamist regime. And if we let them win in Lebanon today, they just come that much closer to realizing their ideals.
Posted by laser at August 11, 2006 03:13 AMThe world is waking up to the notion that the fanatic Islamists want to replace the regime in every country with an Islamist regime.
Is that the stated goal of any known Islamic terror group? The overthrow the American government and installation of an Islamic regime? Europe? Puleeese!
Here's something the world is waking up to. 5 years of Bush regime militarism has done nothing but increasingly radicalize the Muslim world. The guys arrested yesterday are all British born citizens. They didn't come from a radical Saudi muslim school. And I'd venture that 5 years ago most if not all of them would not have thought about blowing themselves up on planes. There's a boom of people naming their babies Osama throughout muslim Southeast Asia.
The tactics of the Bush administration have done nothing but exacerbate the problem of radical Islam.
Posted by snark at August 11, 2006 06:06 AM