Anyone wondering about what drives Karl Rove and the forces behind his views.........."They are out to destroy our Constitution, our science". Need confirmation? Just read the paper everyday or, if you can stomach it, get a transcript of a Rove speech. Our current government is run, at the highest levels, by religious lunatics.
Posted by T2 at August 27, 2006 01:09 PM"It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of 'Christian Supremacists'..."
I think the word he's looking for is "Christo-fascist." The only philosophical difference between D. James and a standard-issue Muslim extremist are the words "Jesus" and "Mohammed."
Posted by buddhistMonkey at August 27, 2006 01:42 PMOne thing the conservatives have learned is that if you tell a lie often enough people will begin to believe it so that you can gain some power. I just hope people wake up before we find religious Nazis knocking at our doors.
Mainstream media thinks Coulter is cute!? Maybe as a pin up girl for rattlesnakes.
Posted by pdecell at August 27, 2006 01:56 PMCoulter belongs in an insane asylum, carefully monitored, and receiving daily psychotherapy for her illness.
Posted by Christopher at August 27, 2006 02:13 PMCoulter belongs in an insane asylum, carefully monitored, and receiving daily psychotherapy for her illness.
I'm against the death penalty except for fascists like neo-cons and nazis. I wouldn't waste anything on her but the IVs it would take to put her out of our collective misery.
Posted by phidipides at August 27, 2006 02:38 PMHow can a man be responsible for something that happened more than 50 years after he died? Was Jesus responsible for the Spanish Inquisition? (At least he, unlike anyone else, could've expected it...)
Posted by dj moonbat at August 27, 2006 02:42 PMMry, 'v stdd ths hypcrt Chrstns hvly, nd mst dmt tht 'm rthr stnnd tht n f ths gys hs th blty t cnnct th dts f Drwn, vltnsm, Htlr, nd th hlcst.
Nw, hvn't rd Knndy's wrk, bt f th DL s pst, thn thr mst b sm vldty. Fr t ws th lk f th DL prcrsrs f th trn f th 20th Cntry tht bgn th dsmntlng prcss f tr Chrstnty, rbldng t nt th kk rgnztn tht w s tdy, nd lnchng th 21st Cntry N-Crsd gnst th dnky rdrs. Wht 'm syng s tht th DL nd th mdrn hypcrt rgnzd Chrstn rlgn r n dlgcl llnc. Yt Knndy rks th DL?
Cld t b tht th srl Chrstn nvntn s bt t bt t's crtr? Snds lk rply f r frnd sm, wh kcks th SSR wth C mny, thn plns n th NYC bmbng. Yt, vn hr, w hv n srl cnnctn. Tlk bt wb f tngld crp.
Thr s smthng hppnng btwn th ncn nd hypcrt Chrstn llnc. Thngs r mvng fst n ll lvls. W wn't hv lng t wt t s wht ths s ll bt.
Barry Goldwater warned years ago that the GOP was being taken over by religious extremists. They have suberted our constitution, looted our treasury, filled the military with extremists and neo nazis, launched their "Armageddon" on our dime, dismantled constitutional rule, packed the courts with religious extremists, destroyed the rule of law and are hell-bent to destroy this planet.
They are going to launch a nuclear war against Iran. But they have to stage another 911 first to distract and scare th4e sheeple.
Those crazy fuckers are nuts enough to nuke an Amurrikkan city and they will do it.
Posted by marblex at August 27, 2006 02:54 PMscout, are you seriously saying that you think that Kennedy's lie might be true? Or that evolution is the root of all evil? (Read this link if you don't understand what is being claimed.) It seems to me that you've gotten seriously off track because of your interpretation of the ADL.
Go back and read my post again and then think about what these people (Coulter and Kennedy) are trying to do: destroy your ability to trust science and reality. They are trying to create the equivalent of a nuthouse where facts do not matter.
Posted by Mary at August 27, 2006 03:05 PMTo the fanitical right the world is faith based and facts do not matter. Doing what is objectivly right is not as importiant as doing what feels right. This is how you get government without accountability. For example, even though the Iraq occupation hasn't worked out as planned and none of the claims justifying the invasion have proven to be true, using the same justification against Iran is good enough because they believe and want it to be good enough. And they will repeat whatever lie they need to long enough to convince enough people to remain afraid. And yes, the big lie has nazi orgins.
Posted by herbal tee at August 27, 2006 03:25 PMAnnthrax Coulter is a threat to the public's welfare and needs to be locked up. She's deeply disturbed and a threat to men, women, children and small animals.
The seriousness of this cannot be overstated. Scout: Kennedy, Coulter and their ilk have given up all pretense of deriving their koolaid concoctions from even the tiniest molecule of fact. Instead they've taken Rove's technique of "grabbing the mike, getting your version out there and apologize later" to a whole new plateau. They are emotionally driving the Salem Witch Hunt mentality, whipping it up, nurturing the hate whilst starving any intervention of intellect from a reasoned argument. Facts & reason, even debate itself is outside their world.
As one reads Mary's points, adds the slips of tongue we've heard lately (Kate Harris proclaiming that only the chosen shall rule; Allen's racial slur Maccaca, black kids returned to the back of the bus; etc) it's all the more important to get America to realize that this isn't just a bad administration, this isn't just a few religious zealots dancing around the MayPole, the NeoCons aren't just a heavy handed political group. NONONONO, we are way past that.
Posted by mainsailset at August 27, 2006 04:18 PMNow, I haven't read Kennedy's work, but if the ADL is upset, then there must be some validity. For it was the ilk of the ADL precursors of the turn of the 20th Century that began the dismantling process of true Christianity, rebuilding it into the kook organization that we see today, and launching the 21st Century Neo-Crusade against the donkey riders. What I'm saying is that the ADL and the modern hypocrite organized Christian religion are in ideological alliance. Yet Kennedy irks the ADL?
As one of my professors in grad school would say every once in a while: "What could you possibly mean by that?"
Posted by dj moonbat at August 27, 2006 04:25 PMObserving you folks "cycle-up" over Ann Coulter is very entertaining.
Thanks!
Posted by Bagley at August 27, 2006 04:41 PM"They have suberted our constitution, looted our treasury, filled the military with extremists and neo nazis, launched their "Armageddon" on our dime, dismantled constitutional rule, packed the courts with religious extremists, destroyed the rule of law and are hell-bent to destroy this planet."
Marblex, and all it is costing us is 270 million a day.
Posted by Judith at August 27, 2006 04:59 PM,i>They have suberted our constitution, looted our treasury, filled the military with extremists and neo nazis, launched their "Armageddon" on our dime, dismantled constitutional rule, packed the courts with religious extremists, destroyed the rule of law and are hell-bent to destroy this planet."
And they are effective at spreading big lies. Ameasure of how much so will be seen this fall, for dispite all of these facts, they will frame Lamont and other netroot supported Democrats as 'extremists'. With Lieberman aroiund to provide soundbites, the M$M will buy into the mantra that not supporting Bush is extreme and un-American.
A campaaign beyond swiftboating is coming after labor day, and the bloggers are going to have to call them on it for most of the M$M will not.
Posted by herbal tee at August 27, 2006 05:16 PMScout, what the hell are you talking about?
As for Darwin and Hitler--Hitler wanted to purify the race. If that was somehow helping evolution along in his twisted mind, then whatever--it doesn't make Darwin evil or discredit evolution.
Posted by CG at August 27, 2006 05:18 PMmry, nd vryn, lt m lk t ths gn. Bt 'll nd sm tm. thnks.
[Editor: ignore=off]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
You conspiracy guys aren't gonna like this one.
After years of trying to pin the indictment on Cheney or Rove and talking about how it was going to destroy his adminstration, I continually argued that number one, she wasn't a covert agent and number two, it wasn't gonna be Rove or Cheney.
Now it turns out a regular State Department employee who liked to gossip was the culprit.
"The disclosures about Armitage, gleaned from interviews with colleagues, friends and lawyers directly involved in the case, underscore one of the ironies of the Plame investigation: that the initial leak, seized on by administration critics as evidence of how far the White House was willing to go to smear an opponent, came from a man who had no apparent intention of harming anyone.
Indeed, Armitage was a member of the administration's small moderate wing. Along with his boss and good friend, Powell, he had deep misgivings about President George W. Bush's march to war. A barrel-chested Vietnam vet who had volunteered for combat, Armitage at times expressed disdain for Dick Cheney and other administration war hawks who had never served in the military."
I know its hard to swallow, but I guess Rove isn't gonna be "frog-marched out of the white house in chains" as John Kerry special assistant in foreign affairs bragged routinely.
I had to post this on this message board, because Sato wasn't gonna report the news since it didn't fit into his belief system.
It's like this kids, when one attends a church, one makes the offering of like, five or ten dollars in the little gold plate plate. But anybody for org religion can tell you, the fuckin' church is tax free! I believe in our lord saviour Jesus and his Dad and the Ghost dude, but I believe it in my heart and don't advertise it on my sleeve. I have to pay taxes, but the churches, don't! So they are free to abuse children sexually, and to scam monies from addled parishioners....let's see that would be George Butch? Screw organized religion!
Posted by Mal Feasance at August 27, 2006 06:29 PMRemember, in Reactionary-Fundamentalist Propaganda World, you link those things you seek to destroy with the universally accepted evil of Hitler and the Holocaust.
Thus, evolution (Darwin) and reason-based science and technology must be "linked", however speciously, to those Nazi-based evils.
The Dems don't even know how to criticize Katrina failure---that they will start going after Christian Nationalism is unlikely.
Think of the number of email trees this shit is going to right now.
Posted by euzoius at August 27, 2006 06:38 PMObserving you folks "cycle-up" over Ann Coulter is very entertaining.
Crap. I have to spray for bagworms again.
Posted by phidipides at August 27, 2006 07:04 PMWell, well, well, look who is back. Carpediem. All the old trolls just can't stay away, can they? Yeah, Armitage. That's the ticket. Could have saved a lot of time and money had he just explained that in the beginning. Spare me.
Posted by Judith at August 27, 2006 07:51 PMBy-the-way, Novak did not give up the name Armitage this morning on Face the Nation.
Posted by Judith at August 27, 2006 07:55 PMMry, thr s pssblty tht y’v vrsttd yr rgmnt gnst Cltr; sd, ‘pssblty,’ bcs y my hv cs s hvn’t rd Cltr’s bk, nd hr pst bhvr hs bn tsd th bnds f Bblcl trth. Hwvr, scnnng thrgh sm stff, sh my hv s cs.
knw smthng f Cyn, lthgh ddn’t knw tht nvrsts tdy, t lst n, hs, ctlly hs dprtmnt ttld, ‘Dpt. f clgy nd vltn.’ Fr, mny, mny, scntsts dsgr wth th rlgn f vltnsm, whch s wht vltn s ll bt. W cn hv th scnc f blgy, f gntcs, f sclgy, tc., bt thr s zr sbstnc whtsvr n ‘vltnry scnc.’ ndd, ths tw trms r xymrnc bsrdts. Jst s vn Cyn wld gr tht vltn cn nt b frcd pn tr Chrstnty, mny pwrfl mnds ls pnt t tht vltn smply cn nt b frcd pn scnc.
Th rsn s tht w cn nt fnd n frm f mttnl prgrss. W fnd plnty f rvrs nd dgnrt rtrgrssn vdnc vrywhr. Dg brdrs qckly pnt t tht mtts lv lngr nd hlthr lvs cmprd t pr brds, vn f th pr dgs r sr t wrk n thr rltv rs.
Wht th lk f Cyn fls t cms t grps wth s th ndrstndng tht cmmn chrctrstcs DN’T mn cmmn ncstry.
Wht ds Cyn stdy? Frt fls. S, wldn’t plc t mch sbstnc n vltnsm clyt stdyng th dlztn f frt fly rtr-vltnsm.
Th rly crp lrds lvd Drwn, nd prmt th blgclly bsd ntn f scl Drwnsm. f Cltr md th ncssry cnnctns btwn th rly ndstrlsts, Scl Drwnsm nd thn shwd hw Htlr sd th sm t jstfy th mrdr f mllns f nncnt Jws nd Rssns, sh my b n trgt. Stln, f rcll, ws nt Scl Drwnst, bt h ws wr f th pwr f th crps nd knw hw thy mngd th S nd th dwnfll f Bsmrk. H ws nt cntrng th cntr rvltnrs nd th vrs frms f S ntrvntns, strtng wth th lmntn f th Wht Rssns.
nywy, f Cltr s thnkng lng th bv lns, sh myb n t smthng.
Fr m, th frst hnt tht sh ws n t smthng r trgtd by th DL ws th rctn f th DL. Mst f ths gys hv gd hndl n th trth, bt r n th bsnss f th scl mntnnc f srl/Jwsh ntrsts. Thy r nt n th bsnss f trth. Whn thy ttckd Cltr, ths shws tht sh s t lst trgtd by th DL.
Bt why wld th DL b pst wth scl Drwnst’s Htlr? Hw wld ths mnmz th hlcst crmnl ct? sspct bcs t pprs tht Cltr my hv fgrd t tht tr Chrstnty ws sbvrtd by th crps, nd thr mny hndlr, mstly Jwsh, t th trn f th 20th Cntry. Thr nrml mthd f prtns s chrctr ssssntn, snc ntllctl xchng wld b frtlss f thy r srsly n th wrng.
n thng fr crtn, sm thngs my nt b s thy ppr. , fr n, hv ntd nthng bt hypcrsy n th pst cncrnng Cltr’s thnkng nd tr Bblcl prncpls. spps sm ppl my chng, f thr ys nd rs bcm pn. dn’t knw n hr cs.
I suppose some people may change, if their eyes and ears become open.
The only thing open in Annthrax Coulter's case is her mouth.
Posted by Christopher at August 27, 2006 08:11 PMmn, yr pnt bt n f th hypcrts sttng nly th 'chsn shld rl' cm rght t f th bk f Jdgs. Smn s rdng th Bbl, whch s gd thng, gss, nlss thy'r tryng t lgtmt thr prtclr frm f dltry.
dj, th ld styl Chrstns frm th trn f th 20th cntry wld nt hv llwd r n-crsdr pllg ctn, r vn llwd th fls Zn/srl mvmnt t prdc mdrn srl. Fr, thy ndrstd tht th tr Jws wr th lct/chsn, f ll rcs nd tm. Ths ls ppls t th trm, 'srl.' Th mny hndlrs, mstly Jws, f tht tm prd, st bt t dsmntl ld styl Chrstnty nd rbld t nt th mchn tht r ncn kks hv drvn.
Th ncns wr pwrd p by hypcrt Chrstns, n trms f th vtng blck. sspct tht th ncn hv n srl cnnctn s wll. D y s th wb?
Mnwhl, th lbrls hv bn nndtd wth Blshvk dlgy tht s ls prdct f th crp mny hndlrs f th trn f th 20th cntry. Ths gys mprtd SSR prncpls tht dltd r scl nstttns llwng th crrnt chs. lthgh sbtly, r cltr hv bn shtgnnd, cntnlly, fr th pst tn dcds. W'r tst.
‘evolutionary science.’ Indeed, these two terms are oxymoronic absurdities.
Indeed, they are not.
and promote the biologically based notion of social Darwinism.
Survival of the fittest = those with the most money. In their opinion those with more money were more fit and their money was an expression of their superior evolution. Something Darwin would not have agreed with and did not say.
These guys imported USSR principles that diluted our social institutions allowing the current chaos.
Like the $1 trillion in corporate welfare this year somehow equates to capitalism? The true socialists are the republi-cons and neo-cons.
Posted by phidipides at August 27, 2006 09:19 PMScout, your mulling side is showing. I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but you are translating Mary's post into your own thought process. A few more mulls and you're headed toward agreement rather than disagreement with her position.
Kathrine Harris was the individual, during a campaign speech for her fantasy of becoming a Senator who laid claim to the position that only the chosen should rule.
Have you ever had the chance to read any of Stephen Jay Gould's work, like The Panda's Thumb or The Flamingo's Smile?
Coulter and Kennedy are invoking Darwin and evolution because the two are known quantities that ensure the base of these Christian Supremacists will be awakened to the fight, similar to Rove's injecting the gay marriage into the Red State elections in '04. They are simply word tools to focus hate in order to stop debate.
Posted by mainsailset at August 27, 2006 09:29 PMI did a piece on this for prawnblog and my commenter pointed out to me that actually, Der Fuehrer was one of those Creationist/Biblical literalist/Intelligent Design types. Hitler never believe in evolution to begin with!
BTW, the thing to remember every time you hear Ann Coulter is that she represents the Bush Administration with roughly the same degree of authority that Laura Bush represents them. When have you ever heard Bush et al disagree with her?
Posted by Rich at August 27, 2006 09:29 PMWho the hell is Sato?
Posted by Steve Soto at August 27, 2006 10:09 PMOh, sure; like you don't know all about *Sato*...
Posted by dj moonbat at August 27, 2006 10:42 PMWho the hell is Sato?
Probably a nick name for Satan. You know, like "hey Sato, what's going on?"
Posted by Judith at August 27, 2006 10:59 PMI bet Richard Armitage knows who "Sato" is.
Posted by snark at August 28, 2006 05:57 AMIf I beat the fucking shit out of "Dr." Kennedy, does that mean Darwin wins?
Survival of the fittest, motherfucker.
Posted by God Of War at August 28, 2006 06:20 AMmn, sspct yr thnkng s crrct cncrnng tht Cltr s smply mnng fr spprt cncpts. Tht's wht hypcrts d bst, nd tht's hw mny gt cnfsd.
phd, y'll hv t rg bttr thn smpl dnl, pls.
Before Social Darwinism, it was "The Chosen People of God"; Scout's "The Elect" etc etc..A very long history of lofty rationalizations for the maitenance of the status quo and any predatory behavior on the part of the powerful that went over better with a little spiritual camouflage.
Posted by jondee at August 28, 2006 09:04 AMmry, hr w g; ths wll shw tht Cltr s mr thn hypcrt:
http://www.hffngtnpst.cm/2006/01/27/nn-cltr-w-nd-sm_n_14588.html
Th bv lnk shws Cltr jkng bt psnng jdg. Ths bhvr s cmpltly cntr t tr Bblcl dctrn.
mn, pls tk ntc s y wr rght bt hr bng th sm kk.
Nvrthlss, smn s dvsng hr n tr Bblcl dctrn; m thnkng bt sm f th bv tms sh's pntd t. Ths s mst nsl n tht th fls Chrstn chrch, fr th pst fw dcds, t lst, hsn't hd cl s t th Bbl. Yt, sh ht fw pnts. Ths wsn't lck. thr smn f th lct s dvsng hr, r sh s pyng ttntn t smn ls.
By pnt s tht nthng gd wll cm t f hypcrt tchng th trth. Sh'll skw th mssg vry tm, nd ld mny frthr stry. Ths s nt gd.
[Editor: ignore=off]scout, you're looking for clues that aren't there. We've all known Coulter's a POS for years, but now we know that you're posting from inside a box and have earned about as much credibility as bubble boy. P-dip doesn't need more than a denial - evolution's got way more evidence than gods ever did.
By point is that nothing good will come out of a hypocrite teaching the truth.
But at least it appears you're catching on, hypocrite. So stop pretending to teach and admit you're just preaching your own interpretation.
GoW - I'm with you, dude. As Al Swearingen said "Tell your god to ready for blood!"
Posted by iamcoyote at August 28, 2006 09:33 AMCoulter, Rush, Savage, O'Lielly etc do "outreach" to the screwed over and the preparing to be screwed over. They cant maintain their populist appeal without adopting a little Christo-speak. Give the reptiles credit, they came up with this winning strategy back in the early eighties and have never really deviated from it since. All you need is enough hate 'n hellfire to keep red states red and yer in like flint. The only counter the other party has is a dixiecrat who, one prays, has a scruple or two left alive somewhere in the closet.
Posted by jondee at August 28, 2006 09:41 AMI don't like these people one bit, but in this case they have a point.
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world." Darwin. The Descent of Man. Chapter VI
This isn't going to go away. And it isn't the only occasion on which Darwin aired such views. The defamation suit will fail.
If we want to keep the theory of evolution, we're going to have to stop equating Darwin and Darwinism with it. There's no need to do this. And they are not the same thing anyway.
Posted by idlex at August 28, 2006 09:43 AMSo everyone before Darwin who thought that the Caucasian race was superior to all others learned it from where? Or is it the contention that no one held such a belief prior to Mr. Darwin?
Posted by snark at August 28, 2006 10:03 AMCaucasian superiority began long before Darwin. It was the FACT that God (a tall white guy with a monochromatic beard) appeared before Moses, thereby giving whites the social nod for all time.
Posted by TIKI AL at August 28, 2006 10:18 AMHerbert Spencer's philosophy was on the rise and Darwin in order to gain credibility, had to adapt "Darwinism" to Spencerism and Spencer's chief patron Andrew Carnegie. The climate effected Darwinism as much as Darwin effected the climate.
Posted by jondee at August 28, 2006 10:30 AMStop the presses!
Darwin was affected by his environment!
Posted by snark at August 28, 2006 10:37 AMJust look at what Darwin did to the Galapagos!
Posted by Seven of Six at August 28, 2006 11:06 AMStop the presses!
Of course you knew all that stuff about Spencer and Carnegie already, right Snark? Besides, the specifics of the environment are irrelevant when your schtick is cranking out bumpersticker non-sequiters.
History is bunk.
Posted by jondee at August 28, 2006 11:57 AMHave you got a problem with my comment? If so spit it out.
Posted by snark at August 28, 2006 12:03 PMBumper stickers have changed history.
Posted by TIKI AL at August 28, 2006 12:19 PMI like bumperstickers!
Posted by iamcoyote at August 28, 2006 12:29 PMThey're as American as apple pie, impulse shopping, and forshortened attention spans. We even have walking bumperstickers running for public office - and winning.
Posted by jondee at August 28, 2006 12:44 PMIs that a no? Cause I'd really like to know what gave you offense in my previous comment.
Posted by snark at August 28, 2006 12:50 PMWhy do think his name is 'snark'?
Posted by Seven of Six at August 28, 2006 01:03 PMSnark - I was trying to fill-in Darwin's historical context a little more with a couple of (I believe), significant details. Obviously everyone's influenced by their environment. Im not someone who's looking to replace Darwin with Jesus in a gold-plated Hummer. Sorry if Im a little touchy. Also suffering from a little too much over-exposure to the ambulatory on-to-Iran contingent.
Posted by jondee at August 28, 2006 01:15 PMWhat in my comment did you find to be in conflict with what you wrote? Some are making much of Darwin's comments regarding human racial differences. He, and his understanding of human society, was a product of his age. Biases and all. The fact that he contributed greatly to our understanding of how life on our planet developed, and continues to develop, did not free him from those biases. His biases however do not negate his scientific contributions. On this I believe we are in agreement no? Anyone on this site posting comments should be aware of the fact that attitudes toward human 'racial' differences have 'evolved' (excuse me on that one) since Darwin's day and should not expect Darwin to have been free of the contemporary attitudes that we now understand to be flawed. Anyone except the rightist types. That's who my 'stop the presses' comment was directed to.
Posted by snark at August 28, 2006 01:35 PMcyt, wldn't spk fr phd, f ws y, fr sh s lght yrs yr sprr. Lk t hr wrtng; sh rgs wtht gttng prsnl nd ll gfy, nlk yrslf.
nd wh y cllng 'hypcrt?' Tht's rch, n brtnst/mrdrr cllng nms.
Kp yr mth sht, thrws, my gt kckd ff gn.
[Editor: ignore=off]Keep your mouth shut, otherwise, I may get kicked off again.
WTF? Forget your meds today? But now you've given me incentive to rag on yer ass! Who's an abortionist/murderer, btw? And since when has p-dip been female? Dang, don't you ever get anything right? What happened to your "respect for others" speech, ya little girl!
Posted by iamcoyote at August 28, 2006 02:50 PMphd, srry, n dsrspct ntndd. Ds cyt hv pll fr gndr dntfctn?
cyt, 'lttl grl?' Wll, gss ws lttl t snstv wth yr 'hypcrt' cmmnt. Stp rggng fr whl, myb 'll tk sm kl d, wth sm c.
Bt, nywy, phd, y wrt nd fght wth pwr, wtht rsrtng t hgh schlr nm cllng t lk cl. nd, thnk y knw, nt jst syng tht.
Bt, lmst vryn hr wrts wth strngth.
[Editor: ignore=off]Turn the other geek or God will smite thee.
Posted by TIKI AL at August 28, 2006 07:42 PM