Okay. I see no problem with this. Start the stupid president meme, John.
Posted by phidipides at November 1, 2006 03:01 PMHillary can suck it.
Kerry deserved some blame for going out on a rhetorical limb, but Hillary deserves a hell of a lot more blame for scoring some cheap points with the Bull Moose/DLC crowd at the expense of keeping the focus on Iraq.
When primary time comes along, all the money in the world won't be able to hide her shilling for the "radical centrists" who consistently side with corporations over workers, rich people over working people and with Republicans over Democrats.
Posted by Betamax Guillotine at November 1, 2006 03:04 PMKerry did the right thing. Bush is incapable of doing the right thing regardless of the circumstances.
I think that enough people know this now that the real silent majority will speak loudly in a week and tell the compulsive liars currently running the government "enough is enough."
Kerry really disappointed me by apologizing. This is yet another feather in the meme that Democrats are weak and rudderless. After his strong statement yesterday, I didn't expect him to so quickly apologize.
I think that something that was going to improve our standing in the end will just weaken us.
Posted by at November 1, 2006 03:08 PMGood.
Now, John Kerry should take the Mrs. on a lovely trip to Tahiti for a week, where he won't be tempted to open his cakehole at the first sign of a microphone.
Posted by Christopher at November 1, 2006 03:09 PMThat was quick. An anon concern troll with the authoritarians' next Kerry gambit.
The supposed party of "ideas"---reduced to deceitful game playing and manufactured outrage. The last arrow in the quiver, running on empty and lying about about it. Contemptible.
Seen enough, independents? You alone can save the Constitution.
Posted by euzoius at November 1, 2006 03:33 PMMuckdog is that you again?
Posted by Seven of Six at November 1, 2006 03:36 PMHillary Clinton, expert on military issues, having served in the White House as spouse, is qualified to pass judgement on John Kerry?
Little Miss Centrist...
Posted by Slothrop at November 1, 2006 04:07 PMI loved Halloween Kerry when he wore a mask of strength. We had balls for a day. Felt good. Feels bad now.
Posted by Mickeleh at November 1, 2006 04:14 PMChristopher and Mickeleh, y'all hit the nail on the head with your posts about Ferry. What a fucker.
All I give a shit about is attending Webb's victory party at the fancy schmancy hotel here in VAGINA election night. Man am I going to party, and shit, be on camera too! I think old God did us all a big favor not putting Kerry in the WH after all. Talk about spineless! Maybe he deserved to be swiftboated. It's just one betrayal after another! Hillary is an idiot, plain and simple and should replace Oprah. She needs a talk show. She has so MUCH to say.
Posted by Mal Feasance at November 1, 2006 04:22 PMHillary is in an election so she has a right to speak.
We all really know how her comments were directed! She just knocked out Kerry for his attempt to run in '08'.
I will only vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic candidate for pResident.
Rep. Harold Ford
"He needs to apologize to our troops"
Sen. Hillary Clinton
“What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate”
Gov. Janet Napolitano
“It's just wrong"
U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez
“I think his comments were inappropriate”
New Jersey Senate President Richard Codey
“I think it's offensive”
Senate candidate Jon Tester
“Senator Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid”
North Carolina State Democratic Party chairman Jerry Meek
“John Kerry's botched joke was wrong and he should apologize”
Congressional candidate Bruce Braley
"I believe that Senator Kerry's brief statement was inappropriate”
Congressional candidate John Pavich
“I believe he should apologize to the brave men and women in service.”
I just couldn't help myself with all these right wing nutjobs commenting. Halloween Kerry, checks in the mail.
Posted by peter at November 1, 2006 04:58 PMAnyhow, now that the Kerry thing has been hashed out (thanks, Christopher, for the lively conversation today - whaddaya say kumbaya on Nov. 8th, around 7ish? Are we good?), we can concentrate on the election again, and trashing the 'pukes?
Why does the GOP and the White House demand an apology from Kerry yesterday, if it is OK for the GOP Majority Leader to discredit the generals today?
Good question, Steve. That's pretty much the LTE I had planned to send to the local paper in the morning.
Posted by iamcoyote at November 1, 2006 05:12 PMwho gets to apolgize for letting muqtada determine our tactics in iraq?
Posted by benjoya at November 1, 2006 05:17 PMlink for that: i Demands Pullback; U.S. Lifts Baghdad Cordon
let me guess: clinton's fault?
Posted by benjoya at November 1, 2006 05:19 PMsorry, headline reads "Iraqi Demands Pullback; U.S. Lifts Baghdad Cordon"
Posted by benjoya at November 1, 2006 05:20 PMGreat link benjoya,
But by nightfall, American troops had abandoned all the positions in eastern and central Baghdad that they had set up last week with Iraqi forces as part of a search for a missing American soldier.
peter, As a former soldier, you don't leave a troop behind! bu$h really supports our troops!
Posted by Seven of Six at November 1, 2006 05:31 PMbenjoya - EXACTLY.
Since when does the US military leave a man behind? And who just cut and ran? There's tomorrow's headline in my sweet lollipop world. Sigh. If only I controlled the media...
Posted by iamcoyote at November 1, 2006 05:33 PMiamcoyote,
It's a date.
Kerry is yesterday and we have work to do tomorrow.
Posted by Christopher at November 1, 2006 05:38 PMSnufs out the story??
Have you had your fucking TV on today!?
It's all Kerry all the time until the election.
Fucking idiot.
Posted by God Of War at November 1, 2006 05:42 PMThanks, Christopher, I feel better. You're right, tomorrow...is another day! Six more days to go. Make some noise, folks.
Posted by iamcoyote at November 1, 2006 05:55 PMYou guys should do like me and not pay attention to the news anymore.
Health! Health at last!
Posted by Toby Petzold at November 1, 2006 05:55 PMKerry had nothing to apologize for. He's a loser for doing it when it wasn't called for. He essentially admitted the warped interpretation of his remarks rather than defend what he actually said. He is a loser and I hope never to hear any talk of his pretensions to the White House.
Posted by James E. Powell at November 1, 2006 05:57 PMOk I'm done wringing my hands. And no, I didn't use lotion.
Can a silly little gadfly with stunningly bad comprehension of national politics still play?
Posted by snark at November 1, 2006 06:24 PMOh, I guess so, snark. You're just in time for the chorus of "Tomorrow, Tomorrow..." We need a tenor.
Posted by iamcoyote at November 1, 2006 06:29 PMAnd I agree with Toby.
Watching the news does nothing but take years off your life.
Posted by snark at November 1, 2006 06:34 PMHarold Ford has started several interviews with "I am a Christain". He wants school prayer in the schools with the 10 commandments on the walls.
If this is the future of the democratic party, count me out.
Posted by TIKI AL at November 1, 2006 06:37 PMYou watched the news? Who does that anymore? Why torture yourself?
Posted by iamcoyote at November 1, 2006 06:37 PMHe wants school prayer in the schools...
I firmly believe that if there's one place that school prayer belongs it's in the schools.
But seriously, I doubt Harold is gonna put school prayer at the top of his legislative agenda if he gets elected to the Senate. And even if he does it's not as bad as starting a war of aggression.
Posted by snark at November 1, 2006 06:43 PMtiki al,
Looks to me as if it's just a rote thing he does.
Checklist:
Say "I'm a Christian"--check
Mention Bible, 10 Commandments, prayer in school--- check
That's it, then he can go on and say and be whatever he wants. He feels that's how he has to "dress" to appeal to Tennessee voters.
I'll be goddamned if that's how I want someone to act if they're running for office. Cuss and be ornery in public if you want. Pray IN PRIVATE. I am sick to death of public purple-robed prayer-people, who would kick me rather than give me a dime of their taxes for health care.
off topic:
I was at a civic meeting held in a small rural church tonight. There were signs around that said "pray the vote" - fancy signs. So I looked it up on "the google" when I got home. I almost wish I hadn't. So if you want to read something really depressing, go to:
http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org
Does the whole world know about this, and I just missed it?
Posted by Mickey at November 1, 2006 07:00 PMsnark: May I remind you that the war of aggression in Iraq was started by a born-again halfwit who got his marching orders directly from his "greater father".
I got the "He wants school prayers in the schools" from Kerry's jokewriter. It turns out it was not funny, and I apologize deeply to any redundancy Nazis I may have offended.
Posted by TIKI AL at November 1, 2006 07:06 PMCheck Firedoglake Jane Hamsher's take on the issue. Isn't she just great! I think so.
Posted by Freedom at November 1, 2006 07:19 PMHarold Ford has started several interviews with "I am a Christain". He wants school prayer in the schools with the 10 commandments on the walls.
I gotta admit, there's something about Ford that creeps me out a bit. He's got that really long, drawn out good 'ol boy drawl. And he has the Ten Commandments printed on the back of his business card. He seems like a snake oil salesman. Or it could be I'm thinking of Tartuffe.
Posted by ann at November 1, 2006 07:24 PMBack in 1969, after graduating from high school, all I heard from parents and friends as I entered college was that I better keep my GPA up...or I'd end up in Vietnam.
So, of course, I didn't listen and got drafted. And although I didn't end up knee deep in a Vietnamese rice paddy or find myself patroling some Vietnamese waterway on a swift boat like Lt. John Kerry, I still know a lot of people my age who did.
Thus, when I heard about Sen. John Kerry's comments to some college students, I immediately thought about the advice given me those many years ago...with the only difference being the draft.
I think Sen. John Kerry may be being prescient. Because with the loony Bush warmongers running things and talking up endless war, then a draft will eventually be necessary...at which time, any students who don't take their college courses seriously will end up in Iraq, or Iran, or Syria, or North Korea, or wherever the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld warmongers take us next on their incredibly insane Republicanalooza worldwide tour of carnage and greed.
Posted by The Oracle at November 1, 2006 07:24 PMIf want to get rid of the Republican scum like Delay, Coburn, Talent, DeWine, Corker and the rest the religious fundis need to have an alternative. There are millions of them and they aren't just gonna go out and vote for a Gay rights, Pro-Choice liberal because they don't think the pukes are taking their priorities seriously enough. If Harold Ford has to play up his religious faith and suggest that he doesn't think that kids praying in school would be the end of the Constitution as we know it than so be it. Harold Ford isn't gonna get prayer in the schools anytime soon.
But I'm just a gadfly who doesn't know anything about the nature of national politics so take it for what it's worth. ;)
Posted by snark at November 1, 2006 07:25 PMann: Moliere thanks you for the plug.
gadfly: hmmm, "persistently irritating", or "bites livestock and sucks their blood?"
OK, I'll give Ford a shot as long he doesn't show up at my door on Superbowl Sunday with a copy of "Tales From the Iron Age".
Posted by TIKI AL at November 1, 2006 07:58 PMI gotta admit, there's something about Ford that creeps me out a bit. He's got that really long, drawn out good 'ol boy drawl. - Ann
Me too, Ann.
Harold Ford was mostly raised in Washington DC in a political family and speaks perfect English with no southern twang.
I've noticed during this election season, Harold has decided to flaunt his Christian beliefs laced in a thick patina of cornpone suggesting a small town guy who never traveled beyond the confines of Dogpatch, TN.
It's an act, IMHO.
Posted by Christopher at November 1, 2006 08:00 PMI gotta admit, there's something about Ford that creeps me out a bit. He's got that really long, drawn out good 'ol boy drawl. And he has the Ten Commandments printed on the back of his business card. He seems like a snake oil salesman.
ann, All I know is that if the name has 'D' next to it, I'm voting for it! I suggest everyone do the same!
It's an act, IMHO.
Well, if the moron from Kennebunkport can have a fake Tex-ass accent why can't Harold have a fake ridge-runner drawl, y'all?
You guys should do like me and not pay attention to the news anymore.
Something like the republi-cons not paying attention to the country? It's easier that way.
I just couldn't help myself with all these right wing nutjobs commenting. Halloween Kerry, checks in the mail.
And DeLay was a victim of political opportunism. Cut and run in Afghanistan, and stand and die in Iraq. You guys is precious!
Posted by phidipides at November 1, 2006 08:20 PMDamn! VetVotes appear pissed at Kerry and Iraq! What a video!
Posted by phidipides at November 1, 2006 08:30 PMGood gawd, Phid!
Kyl just started ramping up the Osama scare videos today!
I hope Pederson starts running these commercials every 1/2 an hour.
Please watch "Hacking Democracy" on HBO tomorrow 11/2. This is a piece that Diebold doesn't want America to see.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003335983_webdiebold01.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003334246_bevharris01m.html
Posted by anonymous at November 1, 2006 10:25 PMKerry, please just shut the fuck up and go the fuck away forever.
Even after all this, you STILL do not get the game. You go for complicated, self-satisfied locutions aimed at who, Arnold Fucking Toynbee? You dumb goddamn fuck. Once again your ass kicked by a talking chimp war criminal and his evil stage mother.
And don't even get me started on Hillary. Half the time I can't distinguish her from fucking Dick Cheney anymore.
Jesus! Aaarrgghhh!
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[Editor: ignore=off]as I said tuesday, Kerry handed Rove a nice present with his mostly true, but horridly phrased remarks. The Media ran with it as expected, and as expected the Dems wasted no time in distancing themselves from Kerry, and as expected, Kerry caved and issued a second apology. This "shoot-your-own-foot" goof has given Bush/Rove two days of angry talking points. That's two days the Dems could have used to seal the deal. I don't think this will change many votes, but changing only a few in key places is how the Rove GOP maintains power. At least we'll know who to blame if the Dems come up a few votes short of taking the Senate. And Kerry will know who to blame if/when he finds scant support for a second presidential try.
Posted by T2 at November 2, 2006 06:38 AM...as I said tuesday, Kerry handed Rove a nice present with his mostly true, but horridly phrased remarks.
Precisely, T2. I'm glad you "get" the nature of national politics. It's a blood sport.
Kerry's a veteran of the game and should've known better than to flap his cakehole for sheer ego gratification.
Posted by Christopher at November 2, 2006 06:49 AMsome of you are buying into the repug propaganda spin..kerry fuked up a joke..it is what is is..nothing more..this is exactly what they've been doing for 6 yrs...kerry told a bad joke..bush has killed hundreds of thousands of people...put it in the right perspective..if the election can change on kerrys misque..we got a problem
Posted by dennis at November 2, 2006 07:05 AM..if the election can change on kerrys misque..we got a problem
And we have a winner!
Of course if the Dems fail to retake either house on Tuesday we will never really know if Kerry's flub had anything at all to do with it but a lot of people will certainly assure themselves that it was singlehandedly his fault.
Posted by snark at November 2, 2006 07:14 AMExactly right, snark. But I think we should continue to talk about Kerry until next Tuesday, just to make sure. Because leaving a soldier behind in Sadr City, contractors leaving Iraq in droves, Boehner's boner, etc. are just not good enough stories to pay attention to right now.
Besides, Rove's given the Dems their excuse -Kerry- for not winning this election, so we all can sit back and relax!
psst - don't think I didn't see you there, scout, I'm watching you...
Posted by iamcoyote at November 2, 2006 08:15 AM