I cannot support such pro-Israel candidates as Hillary or Edwards, or the party that endorses them. Israel does not have the best interests of The United States at heart, nor those who kowtow to its dictate.
Israel is a terrorist state, the mother of all terrorist states, an utterly foreign occupier perpetrating a genocide on an indigenous people.
Posted by Thomas Ware at February 3, 2007 12:19 PMIf Congress doesn't want to go so "far" as to declare right now that it opposes a war with Iran, a lesser step, which should be uncontroversial, is that the president may not use the military to attack targets within Iran without prior Congressional authorization.
This is simply a statement of Congress's role under our constitution----and there is a current bill for a joint resolution saying this.
Posted by euzoius at February 3, 2007 12:46 PMAnd remember folks..if gets waked by a GOP'er in the general election it all started here. The best way to ensure a DOA Democratic candidate is to start the killing now. Internalize the Hillary is bad thing and by all means forget that she is running in a national race that requires her to at times not be your pawn.
Keep it up folks. After all a RePuke would be better than Edwards or Hillary or Biden right? Kill em all and let Rove sort it out.
Fuckin dumbassed liberals. Lose again..its in your blood.
If we're going to have a president who's going to be "handled" by AIPAC, I'd just as soon it was a Republican one, myself.
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Posted by Albert Speer at February 3, 2007 01:10 PMlet's make it clear to candidates: iran is the final exam. if your answers are the same as bush's, why in the world would we ever vote for you?
Posted by benjoya at February 3, 2007 01:17 PMI like this update of Greenwald's, that underlines the fact that AIPAC is not a Jewish lobby so much as it is an Israeli war machine lobby:
Greewald says:
UPDATE II: The American Jewish Committee commissioned a poll late last year to ascertain the views of American Jews on various foreign policy matters, and found (h/t EJ):
Support among Jews for an American military strike against Iran has declined during the past year, according to an annual survey of American Jewish opinion released Monday.
The survey, commissioned by the American Jewish Committee, found that only 38% of American Jews support American military action, down from 49% last year.
And, of course, 3 out of 4 American Jews voted against George Bush in 2004, notwithstanding the fact that (or because) Bush's Middle East militarism was a predominant issue in the campaign. Despite their influence, Jewish neoconservatives and groups like AIPAC are highly unrepresentative of American Jews as a whole. Those facts only further undescore the baselessness and pure malice driving the attempt to equate opposition to their agenda with "anti-semitism."
And you wonder why there is an impression among arabs that jews run the world?
The single biggest compliant the Arab & Muslim world have against the US is that we support Israel in whatever they decide to do.
Just think that whenever you see Lieberman's name with an 'I' next to it, the 'I' stands for Israel.
Lose again..its in your blood.
Yeah. Like 2006. Of course, the republi-cons helped out by being the most amoral fucks you could have put together on any single continent.
If we're going to have a president who's going to be "handled" by AIPAC, I'd just as soon it was a Republican one, myself.
You've got that now. Is it satisfying?
Israel is a terrorist state, the mother of all terrorist states, an utterly foreign occupier perpetrating a genocide on an indigenous people.
Very true. And AIPAC is an extension of that type of terrorism, only perpetrated on Americans and our Congress. It truly does not represent American Jews. It only represents the Israeli terror-state, their militaristic interests, and their desires to eradicate the Palestinians.
Hilary is republi-con lite. A "compassionate conservative hawk" who would blow the entirety of AIPAC -and any PAC- if it would forward her campaign. And she will dump universal healthcare -as well as the entire democracy- along the way to get bucks from insurers and medical lobbys. She is not unique as a politician in that regard. We have to go no futher than Princess Sparkle Pelosi to ascertain that. Hilary is republi-con-lite. Her record shows that same thing time and time again. A vote for Hilary is a vote for exactly what you have now in Washington.
Posted by phidipides at February 3, 2007 01:44 PMPhid said:
You've got that now. Is it satisfying?
Yep, Phid, much better than having a Dem like Hill doing the same thing. How embarrassing that would be. When the giant AIPAC turdburd flies over and finally shits its wad, please let it be on a Republican president's head, not a Dem's. Better yet, please let it be a Dem who finally shoots the burd down. Have to be a better shot than Cheney, though.
Posted by Julie at February 3, 2007 02:08 PMphid, at least pelosi was against the iraq goatfuck. i'm sure your red-state neighbors would like to string her up for that. if candidate A is 95% corrupt and candidate B is 98% corrupt, it's still crucial to elect candidate A. people's lives depend on it.
Posted by benjoya at February 3, 2007 02:19 PM...like Hill doing the same thing.
But Hill is doing the exact same thing.
Posted by phidipides at February 3, 2007 02:20 PMi mean, it's easy for some middle-class shmoe like me to belittle something like raising the minimum wage, but it really effects people's lives. coach hastert wouldn't have done it. frist wouldn't have.
frist. he used to be in the senate, i think.
Careful Steve.
I put this up on Mary's Open Thread Friday morning and Hillary's harpies came unglued.
Apparently, for the loyalists among us, Le Hill can fan the embers of war as such as she pleases because Hillary can do no wrong.
Posted by Christopher at February 3, 2007 02:23 PMget some air, chris. very few fans of hillary here. and only one hillary-obsessed crackpot.
Posted by benjoya at February 3, 2007 02:24 PM90% of the DC democrats are leaderless, spineless and clueless; you can start with Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Where were they in 03? Where are they in 07?
Biden is just an air-head!
Posted by cleve at February 3, 2007 02:55 PM90% of the DC democrats are leaderless, spineless and clueless; you can start with Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Where were they in 03? Where are they in 07?
Biden is just an air-head!cleve
Posted by cleve at February 3, 2007 02:56 PMcleve, i'm not sold on obama (waiting for gore, anyway), but fwiw, in '03 he was vociferously opposed to the war while in the IL state senate.
Posted by benjoya at February 3, 2007 03:01 PMSo are the 13 Jewish Senators a not so secret Israeli cell?
How does 2% of the population get 13% of the Senate?
That would be like having 78 African-American or 78 Latino Senators. Or 430 Caucasion Senators.
Oh crap, now I'm in trouble....Anti-Semite Al.
Posted by TIKI AL at February 3, 2007 03:27 PMRodham.
There's someone who hasn't had a new idea in almost her entire life.
Maybe they oughta run Chelsea instead.
Maybe some brave soul will ask Hilllllllllary what her opinion on the nazi-style concentration camps at Gitmo.
Posted by Alex at February 3, 2007 04:30 PMWARNING: Politically incorrect statement follows.
"Oh crap, now I'm in trouble....Anti-Semite Al."
We may yet have to cue the music, "Springtime for Hitler", with Israel carrying on like they have been since the Reagan days.
Quit being such whiny ass titty babies.
Seriously. Grow the fuck up.
Israel is our ally. Israel will remain our ally. America will protect its ally.
If you are basing your 2008 Presidential decision upon that, you might as well stay the hell home, because you're going to have NOBODY to vote for.
American, in my lifetime and yours, will NEVER abandon Israel. You might as well reconcile yourselves to it.
Posted by God Of War at February 3, 2007 04:45 PMAres, I hope your rant is not directed at me, the humble messenger.
Posted by TIKI AL at February 3, 2007 05:07 PMWhen I heard of Bushie in the big rig, I thought of Rachel Corey. I think of her alot these days.
Remember Rachel Corey and all the dead photojournalists ("gee, that camera LOOKED like a bazooka")
Posted by Sharon at February 3, 2007 06:28 PMOutstanding!
TLC has not hosted an "it is the evil Jooooos" thread in what, 3 maybe 4 days.
Posted by bagley at February 3, 2007 06:36 PMAll I need to know about USrael is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incidentUSS Liberty and the annual welfare we give them.
What PM David Ben Gurion warned about is what Israel has become.
Posted by Alex at February 3, 2007 07:06 PMG o W, we actually agree on something.
Posted by peter at February 3, 2007 07:13 PMThe Israeli/Palenstianian problem is just another in a long list of OCCUPATION problems that never get resolved. Too bad we didn't give them Germany when we had the chance.
Posted by Julie at February 3, 2007 07:58 PMSure, Julie, and that would have done wonders for the Neo-Nazi movement in Germany!
Posted by TIKI AL at February 3, 2007 10:52 PMAt this point, it is quite clear that Israel's soon to be four-decades-old occupation/retention of the West Bank (and our condoning of this absurd situation) is the root of much of the problems in the Middle East.
It isn't abandoning an ally to recognize this fact and (finally) start requiring substantive changes to the situation. Until there is serious movement in this area, no real progress in the ME will be possible, and as we can see, much more "instability" and violence is likely.
Our immediate repudiation of the democratically elected Hamas government (after demanding elections!) was a colossal blunder, but just throw it on the pile. As long as neither American political party advocates that Israel must change its four decade old policy, this swamp of violence will fester unabated.
Posted by euzoius at February 4, 2007 07:01 AMoozo, don't you get tired of making perfect sense all of the time?
Posted by TIKI AL at February 4, 2007 07:58 AMAlex -
What PM David Ben Gurion warned about is what Israel has become and what Eisenhower warned the US about the military-industrial complex has also come to fruition.
Ok, TIKI, it was said with tongue in cheek. But our government really does need to accept the reality that, since WWII, occupations do not go down well, almost without fail. Given enough time, resentments and alliances against the occupation almost always surface, so it is idiocy to make an occupation a part of any military plan in this day and age. Unless, of course, the covert part of the plan includes creating chaos by breaking up and destoying the country in question. Which may have been the neo-con plan all along.
Posted by Julie at February 4, 2007 11:41 AMIt's a sign of the times when Republicans with cred from the Reagan days are calling it like they see it. The US and Israel: The Real Failed States.
It also means that just because it's Israel, a double standard for behavior should not be applied. It also requires some people to do some critical thinking, not try the Rush Limbaugh ditto-head approach of being spoon-fed their talking points.
Posted by Alex at February 5, 2007 08:44 PM